Splashing Hands from Northern Shaolin temple or Southern?

[SIFU RON]

I don't know anything about it but I did see that on Doug Wong's website his Bio kind hints at splashing hands as being Mok Ga.
http://www.whitelotuskungfu.com/about-masterwong.html

Just thought I'd throw that in for you guys.

Danny

Correct, Mote-Ga is the claim. However as big as Tiny was, don't be surprised if he learned some Hung-Ga too. Sifu loved to teach Hung-Ga to guys his size, just ask Sifu Jim.

And thank you.

Sifu Ron

[Keboh]

That's interesting to hear about Hung Gar. I didn't know that Grandmaster Wong also taught Hung Gar.

Was it incorporated part of his Ng Ga Kuen style? Or was it taught separately, as a complete style in its own right?

Just for my own clarification, are we talking about the same Hung Gar style that is also sometimes called Hung Kuen? The one with the Character-I-Tiger-Taming form and the Iron Wire form?

[Wildwoo]

I do not mean any disrespect and James M. is a nice guy but Splashing hands has nothing related to Shaolin. Modified Kenpo with no jing.

^-^
Woo

[chrislomas]

Thank you Sifu Ron, I will chat just didn't want to impose

Wildwoo; all I can say is I have learnt a good range of Kung Fu styles from a good few teachers and the splashing hands method stands up very very well, make of that what you want.

[SIFU RON]

That's interesting to hear about Hung Gar. I didn't know that Grandmaster Wong also taught Hung Gar.

Was it incorporated part of his Ng Ga Kuen style? Or was it taught separately, as a complete style in its own right?

Just for my own clarification, are we talking about the same Hung Gar style that is also sometimes called Hung Kuen? The one with the Character-I-Tiger-Taming form and the Iron Wire form?

GM Wong taught everthing.

As for Na Ga Kuen , this is Seming Ma's Association. His system. It is of course from his Grandfather Ark Wong and is very good. However it is not then same system I teach. My system is identified as Wah Que Kung Fu Branch 109.

Re: I-Tiger-Taming form and Iron Wire Form, is it not all Kung Fu ?

[SIFU RON]

Thank you Sifu Ron, I will chat just didn't want to impose

Wildwoo; all I can say is I have learnt a good range of Kung Fu styles from a good few teachers and the splashing hands method stands up very very well, make of that what you want.

Thank you, talking is good. Please do and enjoy yourself.

Sifu Jim and Sifu Ron

[SIFU RON]

Good point Wildwoo,

I really don't recall anyone saying Splashing Hands was Shoalin or started by Ark Wong.

The best of source of information is James McNiel, why not invite him here or just ask him. I am quite sure he will answer any questions anyone has. There has been several articles about it over the years in the M/A magazines.

People that are alive can be talked to, , why not simply do it.

No disrepect taken.

Sifu Ron

[Keboh]

GM Wong taught everthing.

Hi sifu Ron,
No disrespect intended ... and I am sure it's my misunderstanding ... but how can one man teach everything? How can one man even know everything?
Like I said, I am sure I am misunderstanding, but would you clarify?

Re: I-Tiger-Taming form and Iron Wire Form, is it not all Kung Fu ?

Once again, I'm not really sure I understand what you mean by this.

Thanks for your posts so far.

[SIFU RON]

It is simple......

Regardless of all the names of all these styles of Kung Fu, is anything new ?

What's different ?

[doug maverick]

Splashing Hands, developed at the Shaolin Temple in the late 1700's, is a close in fighting system of kung-fu. It was taught to those monks who were in charge of guarding the temple gates. Splashing Hands, named for the way the hands move as if one is shaking water from them, is valued for its explosive, high-speed hand and footwork and its simultaneous offensive and defensive techniques. Historically, only a relatively small number of students learned this system. Even after Splashing Hands was introduced to fighters not associated with the Shaolin Temple, it never became a widely-practiced art. Those who knew the effectiveness of the system were reluctant to share their knowledge with others. Because of this secrecy, it is unknown whether or not Splashing Hands is still practiced today on the Chinese mainland. We do know the style was brought to Taiwan in the late 1940's and early 1950's, where a former nationalist army general taught a selected few students.

not saying its true or untrue honestly i don't know. i do know mcneil is a very good and sound teacher thats all i know.

[SIFU RON]

Worded well. James is an excellant teacher and well diverisifed in M/A.

Why not direct your questions directly to him ?

I knew Tiny. You need to remember , back in those days, Ark Wong was the " go to guy" for M/A. The majority of his students were Black Belts, from other styles. They came from everywhere and for good reason.

Best to U

Sifu Ron

[sanjuro_ronin]

It is simple......

Regardless of all the names of all these styles of Kung Fu, is anything new ?

What's different ?

Nothing, the more things change the more they stay the same.

[SouthernTiger]

Nothing, the more things change the more they stay the same.

Or as King Solomon wrote: "There is nothing new under the sun..."

Words of wisdom. Everything has been done before.

-Blake

[Keboh]

It is simple......

Regardless of all the names of all these styles of Kung Fu, is anything new ?

What's different ?

Nothing, the more things change the more they stay the same.

Not sure I really understand ...

Can you extend this further and say that kung fu, karate, muay thai and Brazillian jujitsu are ultimately all the same?

[SIFU RON]

Not sure I really understand ...

Can you extend this further and say that kung fu, karate, muay thai and Brazillian jujitsu are ultimately all the same?

Sure, not 100% the same, but you will find it somewhere in the realm of things.