Yanfan (Franco Testini)

[David Jamieson]

Apparently the divisions go like this:

Religious Monk
Warrior Monk
Fake Monk
and
Douchebag Monk (these are they who aren't really monks and are being douchebags about it.)

that's certainly clear enough for me!

[taai gihk yahn]

Apparently the divisions go like this:

Religious Monk
Warrior Monk
Fake Monk
and
Douchebag Monk (these are they who aren't really monks and are being douchebags about it.)

that's certainly clear enough for me!

so where does Shawn Liu fit into that hierarchy?

[David Jamieson]

so where does Shawn Liu fit into that hierarchy?

Who's Shawn Liu?

[Wong Ying Home]

www.fightschool.co.uk

Here is another genuine shaolin warrior monk..one of only handfull westerners to become fully ordained

[GeneChing]

Le claims he's part of the Shaolin Warrior Monk Reserve Team
Le Fujun & Shaolin Chan City

Should we change the title of this thread to non-Chinese warrior monks? There are more. I'd just have to dig them up.

We've discussed Matthew Ahmet a little already on the Shaolin on Superstars of Dance thread.

[LFJ]

the Shaolin Warrior Monk Reserve Team

that is the name of master deyang's school in english, "wuseng houbeidui", where members are trained in traditional wugong and chan, as warrior monks would. some of his students after personal training and study have then taken discipleship under him.

but the "warrior monk reserve team" is not a class of monk that master deyang initiated, but a preparatory training base which he originally started in the mid-90's with ven. shi suxi to develop secular students external to the monastery, hence the name. so to be a member does not mean one has taken any level of ordination, as you can see.

[GeneChing]

...but most people don't. The very fact that you need to explain it demonstrates how it can be misleading. It all falls back on the wuseng class, which is poorly defined in the public eye. They just see a bald robed guy and read 'Shaolin monk'.

Another person of interest here would be Juan Carlos Aguilar, aka Huang Aguilar. Here's his site - www.shaolinmonastery.org - nice web addy, eh? Juan and I had some Shaolin adventures together back in the mid '90s. He put out a DVD - Shaolin Kung Fu Encyclopedia - here's a quote from the sell text:

In this encyclopedia, Juan Carlos Aguilar, the only Western monk recognized by the Temple and with the approval of the unveils the true Shaolin Kung fu.

[GeneChing]

I believe you are misrepresenting yourself as a Shaolin Grand Puba.

[wenshu]

I believe you are misrepresenting yourself as a Shaolin Grand Puba.

Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of shaolin traditions knows that the Shaolin Grand Pubas receive the jie ba on their ass cheeks.

Pictures or it didn't happen.