Yin shou gun

[Jingwu Man]

Ah, thanks a lot Gene!

Some people were telling me it was a recent import to the temple, like since the latest reconstruction, and I was pretty incredulous.
It's a great staff form and really has that Shaolin flavour, which is why I was so shocked to hear that perhaps it wasn't.

What are the other four authentic forms that were listed?

Taichimantis: Thanks! Not the same form, but it's interesting to see it. What does the name of the form mean? Yin shou gun means soft or negative (as in yin/yang) hand staff, referring to the palm down grip in a lot of the form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6-6SS_iDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up2iJryOFYc

I just wanted to make sure and check with those in the know.
Glad I did!

[TaichiMantis]

Ah, thanks a lot Gene!

Taichimantis: Thanks! Not the same form, but it's interesting to see it. What does the name of the form mean? Yin shou gun means soft or negative (as in yin/yang) hand staff, referring to the palm down grip in a lot of the form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6-6SS_iDo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up2iJryOFYc

I just wanted to make sure and check with those in the know.
Glad I did!

Yum Sao Gwan(cantonese pronunciation) = Negative Grip 2 Ended Staff
We also have Tang Lang Yim Yuen Gun = Yin-Yang Stick which I haven't learned yet...

But with CCK's association with Jingwu, I don't know if it was a mantis form brought to Shaolin or a shaolin form he incorporated in his mantis. Maybe Robert (mantis108) would know... But now that I think about it, I'm sure other styles have their version of a "negative grip" staff form...I just don't know how far back our versions go.

[GeneChing]

Cheng lists five staff forms: yinshou, xiaoyecha, dayecha, pai and chuansuo. I've seen all but the last one demonstrated at Shaolin Temple at one time or another. I might have even seen chuansuo, but just not known it.

BTW, I'm currently learning a variation of yinshougun from Shi Yanfei. The latter half of his form is completely different than what most everyone is practicing nowadays. It's very interesting.

[LFJ]

We also have Tang Lang Yim Yuen Gun = Yin-Yang Stick which I haven't learned yet...

there is a shaolin yinyanggun as well. this is the only video i've been able to find of it: http://www.56.com/u73/v_MTU1MjM4Nzg.html

BTW, I'm currently learning a variation of yinshougun from Shi Yanfei. The latter half of his form is completely different than what most everyone is practicing nowadays. It's very interesting.

i've seen these types of forms, but they looked just like an extended version of yinshougun. but the extra movements also seemed modernly created. it didnt have the same feel as regular old yinshougun when it changed. but it was still very cool.

[GeneChing]

There used to be three Shaolin representatives at our school (one has moved to another Shaolin school ) and they introduced a yinshougun to the curriculum which was fairly standard. Just recently, Yanfei busted out this different version which has a - dare I say? - almost more traditional feel than the standard. For instance, for Chop the Cudgel in a Lower Wing Stance (note I'm using the Shaolin Gong Fu – A Course in Traditional Forms lyrics since that's the most available in English) most practitioners do this flamboyant aerial backbend to slamming the staff on the floor pubu. It's the move we use for our Shaolin Staff hoody. I love that move. Anyway, Yanfei does it as this short sweep strike thing - a very practical, no-frills type of strike. He's done it that way a few times, very quickly. Most of the students are defaulting to the standard method - they haven't even noticed the variation. I've only seen him do it a few times so I haven't quite got it yet. He's not making a big thing of it all, almost like he's sneaking it out to see who's is fast enough of eye to see it. Or maybe I'm just tripping on a short cut he's using when he's teaching. Anyway, the other variations don't add anything that's not practical or overly flowery. Quite the opposite. I'm thoroughly enjoying the variation. It may be a keeper.

[LFJ]

Anyway, Yanfei does it as this short sweep strike thing - a very practical, no-frills type of strike.

that description makes me think of the way shi deyang does yinshougun here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6-6SS_iDo

this seems much more traditional to me too. but the way the coaches and students all do the form at his school is not like this. its like the way most people do it with that slightly modern feel to it, when compared to this.

in fact, most of the forms he teaches on his videos are different versions than what is actually being taught at his school. although, the style on the videos seems much more traditional to me. more of the "straight but not straight, bent but not bent" characteristics. it feels tighter. whereas, the modern versions are all.. out there. you know?

[GeneChing]

Deyang's form is a lot like Decheng's form, only Deyang has his own unique energy that he brings to all his stuff. The pattern is very similar to what I learned however. Yanfei's form is quite different in the end. That's cool. I like variations.

[LFJ]

Deyang's form is a lot like Decheng's form, only Deyang has his own unique energy that he brings to all his stuff. The pattern is very similar to what I learned however. Yanfei's form is quite different in the end. That's cool. I like variations.

yeah, i wish more of decheng's performances were available to take a look at. i've only seen his xiaohongquan from way back posted on youtube.

but then, he doesnt have a video series like deyang. but then again, those videos arent full speed and power performances.

i've found, its interesting how some of their forms are very similar, whereas others are vastly different.

[sha0lin1]

For instance, for Chop the Cudgel in a Lower Wing Stance (note I'm using the Shaolin Gong Fu – A Course in Traditional Forms lyrics since that's the most available in English) most practitioners do this flamboyant aerial backbend to slamming the staff on the floor pubu. It's the move we use for our Shaolin Staff hoody. I love that move. Anyway, Yanfei does it as this short sweep strike thing - a very practical, no-frills type of strike. He's done it that way a few times, very quickly. Most of the students are defaulting to the standard method - they haven't even noticed the variation. I've only seen him do it a few times so I haven't quite got it yet. He's not making a big thing of it all, almost like he's sneaking it out to see who's is fast enough of eye to see it. Or maybe I'm just tripping on a short cut he's using when he's teaching. Anyway, the other variations don't add anything that's not practical or overly flowery. Quite the opposite. I'm thoroughly enjoying the variation. It may be a keeper.[/QUOTE]

The way I learned it is more like the way De Yang does it. We do the aerial backbend slam too, but more for performances to jazz it up a little. There are a few minor variations the way Xing Ying teaches it, especially at the end. We finish on the right slamming the staff down on the foot instead of on the left in De Yangs version.