GM of Hadaka Korosu
The problem isn't really "organized" religion, its Dogma, the problem is that too many people put faith in other people rather than the teachings of which ever prophet their faith is based on.
People tell them to kill or that only THIS religion is the true one and instead of reading and judging for themselves, they believe what they are being told, even if it is in B&W against the very core of the faith the decided to follow.
god of war
does the bible not say that those who do not believe in God shall parish? Does it not say "put no other gods before Me"? Does it not say that if you choose not to know God in life, then He will not know you in death?
the bible definitely says that christianity is the one true way to salvation.
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
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GM of Hadaka Korosu
Ah, interpretation is a *****...Originally Posted by SevenStar
Now you just have to "explain" what it means to "believe", to "put no other gods" and what "to know God" means...
Omnipotence rules
At least Palpatine had cool powers. He threw senatorial pods like paper, shot lighting and could do lots of flips with a lightsabre. What's Ratzinger done? He put on some clothes.
Troll Slayer
Ah, but Jesus, being a Jew mind you, said that in order to believe in G'd and follow the way, you had to be JEWISH and follow the torah, Moses' law.... Today, no one in the Catholic church is following the law of Moses, so they must all be going to Heck in a handbasket huh?
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GM of Hadaka Korosu
he also said that ALL that believe in him shall be saved....
Troll Slayer
Did HE say that, or did people AFTER him say that? There is a huge community and discussion regarding what is original and what has been added and/or altered. See "miquoting Jesus" for example!
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GM of Hadaka Korosu
If you take ONE part as Gospel, all is, if you question one part, ALL must be questioned.
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Unlike Mohammed, Jesus did not establish his community, administer to it and create his church. What we have are accounts of his teachings. The earliest ones, Paul, are written by a man who by his own admission never knew Jesus in life and whom broke with the traditions that Jesus had established. We also know that Paul's teachings conflicted with those of James, Jesus' brother.
The four gospels were written generations after Jesus, and they contradict eachother. It would be irrational and foolish to take them as unquestionable and perfect
Furthermore, when we know that Jesus and the first generation were Jews, raised in that tradition, we know that you can not interpret sacred writings in that manner, as that is not how they are interpreted in Jewish tradition and that Jesus and his first generation followers would have never accepted them in that form
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GM of Hadaka Korosu
You mean that Paul's were the earliest DIRECT writings.
Contridictions in the gospels are interpretative.
Where is the info that James and Paul's teachings conflicted with one another?
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The whole thing is a farce...
*puts on flamesuit*
prime rib rocks hard!
we forget that jesus was a radical jew.
there are scholars that claim jesus was a desicple of john the baptist before he broke off and formed his own sect. also the majority of jesus's first follower's came from john's sect.
organized christianity came much later.
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The Pope is only considered infallible in matters of scripture.
I'm not sure sure that everything the pope is doing is 'evil' oooh, the Pope has brought back the old mass. While a lot of garbage has been done in the name of the church, so too has a great deal of good - and in our current age we seem to focus only on the bad parts (and often are badly misinformed and react strongly to things that weren't always so.).
The pope is following a strategy to bring back the hardcore believers back to the fold, and to reincorporate splinter groups - all they have to do is recognize the reforms of Vatican 2 and they can continue the old traditions. He is shoring up his base in a world where killing our own children is a 'choice.'
I look at the Catholic church as an ally in emphasizing morality in a society where anything goes to a point where human life is devalued and personal liberty is eroded. Nothing is perfect, especially human organizations - and frankly ALL big Christian churches feel they have the 'lock' on the truth.
for fun, look up the sedevacantists... whoo boy.
FYI... religous studies is an old hobby of mine. All religions, all cultures. It's better than MTV.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Acceptance, not alienation, brings people "back into the fold".
Tolerance and love, brings people back into the fold.
hardcore beleivers will believe what they want, how they want, period.
Morality is a tricky slope, hard to preach morals when you are corrupt.
Guiding people to faith is one thing, threating them to it is another.
Troll Slayer
There are MANY contradictions, I'll give you a reading list by respected scholars but start with "Misquoting Jesus" which is a current book on the subject
James considered himself and all of Jesus followers JEWS. They had to be circumcized (sp?) and they had to follow the law of Moses, ie they had to be Kosher, they had to make sacrifices at the temple, etc
Paul rejected this, he preached to the gentiles, while remarkably remaining true to Judaism himself, read "Rabbi Paul" for example
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