waht contact level would you call this?

[Oso]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IkC35VbWGvw


it's the clip from the taikiwhatever vs. kyokoshinkai. I don't really care about the supposed fight from a style sense but am curious as to what others think the contact level would compare as.

I voted already

[Golden Arms]

Good poll idea Oso. In my book, if you are getting hard enough to fall to the ground, then its hard contact. Maybe not in others though?

[RonH]

There is that. That's also the fact one of them ended up with a bloody nose, but that could have been caused by something else after they landed and not during the take down or before. I'd say medium to hard, but it looked like those guys were going for quantity of hits and kicks and not quality, even if you say this was frinedly sparring. With friendly sparring, you shouldn't be throwing your fists and feet out like they were. It looked sloppy.

Did they switch off after that one guy got a bloody nose early on? I'm not sure. Also near the end, what was that style that one guy was doing with his hands ahead of himself, but the palms were facing down? I'm not that familiar with the animal styles of waijia. My first thought was mantis, but then, I thought it could have been something like lion or maybe a tiger, but I don't know.

[TenTigers]

I voted medium-hard, going by the first fight. I saw medium hard kicks and punches to the body, and possibly controlled to the head. Really hard to say. Nothing was clean and it was pretty dark. I also have to say, as the vid went on, it looked worse and worse. Try to find a better example.

[mantis108]

Danger level: 9 (minimal protective gear and no mat)

Contact level: 7 (since there is no small joint manipulation groinshots, eye gouging, etc)

Intensity level: 6 (since limited clinching allowed and no ground range)

competitive level * : 10 (both sides/style really wanted to do the other side in)

Reality level: 4 (too stylisted not quite resembling actually street condition)

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* A.K.A animosity level.

Challenge scale averages: 7.2

Challenge scale with value from 0-10

0=nothing at all
1=very easy
2=easy
3=moderate
4=somewhat hard
5=hard
6=very hard
7=intense (bloody)
8=uncomfortably intense (miming)
9=extremely intense (potentially long term injury)
10=dangerously intense (potentially fatal)

Mantis108

[The Xia]

Danger level: 9 (minimal protective gear and no mat)

Contact level: 7 (since there is no small joint manipulation groinshots, eye gouging, etc)

Intensity level: 6 (since limited clinching allowed and no ground range)

competitive level * : 10 (both sides/style really wanted to do the other side in)

Reality level: 4 (too stylisted not quite resembling actually street condition)

-------------------------

* A.K.A animosity level.

Challenge scale averages: 7.2

Challenge scale with value from 0-10

0=nothing at all
1=very easy
2=easy
3=moderate
4=somewhat hard
5=hard
6=very hard
7=intense (bloody)
8=uncomfortably intense (miming)
9=extremely intense (potentially long term injury)
10=dangerously intense (potentially fatal)

Mantis108

Excellent assessment!

[The Xia]

Not that it takes away from your post, but "contact" as you defined it is different then the way I normally see the word used.

[Oso]

mantis108: good breakdown but more analytical than I tend to get.


I voted medium-hard but only because of intent. I think they were trying to hit each other hard but the generally poor skill/technique level inhibited their power.


I don't think it was a great example (though not a terrible one) of fighting but I do think it is a good enough example to make a contact level comparison with what each of us does in our schools.

FTR, in my school as compared to this, we have two levels. One that is lighter than this with an attempt to resemble the 'style' we are doing and one that is harder where affect is more important.

[MasterKiller]

without gear, my vote is for dumb contact.

[Chief Fox]

medium contact

[Knifefighter]

That was full contact. Hard to tell, but it might have been open hand shots to the head & face.

As far as intent, it was definitely there... especially in the first fight and in the other clip (T vs. K #3). In the #3 clip, the Kyokushin fighter got rocked with about four shots to the face.

[PangQuan]

That was full contact. Hard to tell, but it might have been open hand shots to the head & face.

As far as intent, it was definitely there... especially in the first fight and in the other clip (T vs. K #3). In the #3 clip, the Kyokushin fighter got rocked with about four shots to the face.

ya, in the 3rd vid, at :19 its definately open hand to the face

[PangQuan]

What are the distinctions on this thread regarding the 'Hard' and 'Full' contact?

[Oso]

MK, agreed but that's not part of the point.

PQ, there aren't any intended.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I didn't see any BJJ OR Muay Tai Round Kicks, so this must have been light contact point sparring.