what do you think of this set ?

[golden arhat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7YRvrB0gHA
now sure the head movement is exaggerated
but if u changed that who else thinks this set is just as good if not better than most ????

[mantis108]

Unfortunately, this is yet another example of modern Wushu BS. I have a friend who does traditional Fanzi from Beijing with a verifiable lineage. It's nothing like this carp.

Being fast or moving fast in Fanzi isn't about frailing around like a mad person. This is just a dance and an insult to the traditional stuff.

Mantis108

[mantis108]

This would be more like the traditional styles (not the same but ...) that I am talking about:

Chuo Jiao Fanzi

Mantis108

[PangQuan]

This would be more like the traditional styles (not the same but ...) that I am talking about:

Chuo Jiao Fanzi

Mantis108

nice, i like i like

[mantis108]

I am sorry, Wushu Champion means d!ck all to me. Anybody can be a wushu champion as long as he or she has a good report with the judges panel or well connected in the community. The thing with this so called Fanzi boxing "champion" is that if you take away her supposed speed and agility, which is not that great or impressive either, she has nothing left in her form. Nothing in her form, especially the way she does it, can translate into real technique let alone allowing her do fajing and strike properly.

Wushu Champion, a dime a dozen, big freak'n deal. (sorry if I offended anyone but that's just the honest truth).

Mantis108

[Ravenshaw]

In what sense do you mean that this set is "better than most?" Where is this value judgment coming from?

[golden arhat]

This would be more like the traditional styles (not the same but ...) that I am talking about:

Chuo Jiao Fanzi

Mantis108

thats got a bit of a wushu thing goin on there
even a break dance step or 2

have u seen the 4 or 5 long chuo jiao vids i posted on the sticky
INSANE! lol
take a look
as for the girl u gotta admire her speed no and i saw some legitamate strikes in there aswell
done slower and without the whole head whipping thing
what then ?

[mantis108]

thats got a bit of a wushu thing goin on there
even a break dance step or 2

have u seen the 4 or 5 long chuo jiao vids i posted on the sticky
INSANE! lol
take a look
as for the girl u gotta admire her speed no and i saw some legitamate strikes in there aswell
done slower and without the whole head whipping thing
what then ?

Well, if you feel subjectively positive about wushu BS is going to help to attain high level of CMA, by all means it's your right.

As for break dancing move, I suppose you are talking about the 0.08 s into the clip. But check out this 8 years old kid doing MMA. Look at how he does the same kick from the ground as he pops up from a defensive ground position.


8 Years only MMA clip

The kid might not be a fast as the Fanzi champion but I would put my house on the kid that he would mop the floor with the lady in a fight any day.

At the end of the day, don't get all hype up by the modern Wushu champion bu ll Sh!t. My take is keep things real.

Regards

Mantis108

[Shaolinlueb]

Well, if you feel subjectively positive about wushu BS is going to help to attain high level of CMA, by all means it's your right.

As for break dancing move, I suppose you are talking about the 0.08 s into the clip. But check out this 8 years old kid doing MMA. Look at how he does the same kick from the ground as he pops up from a defensive ground position.


8 Years only MMA clip

The kid might not be a fast as the Fanzi champion but I would put my house on the kid that he would mop the floor with the lady in a fight any day.

At the end of the day, don't get all hype up by the modern Wushu champion bu ll Sh!t. My take is keep things real.

Regards

Mantis108

8 yr old vs fanzi champ. lets see it.

[PangQuan]

how many of her strikes do you think would bounce off you?

im betting most if not all

[Shaolinlueb]

she was a championship fanzi boxer for modern wushu. as for it resembling traditional i have never seen traditional fanzi, most of them dont represent it. even the mantis . er the long fist used to a bit.

edit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkf04dnaLvE does this resembel the real toad kung fu?

[David Jamieson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7YRvrB0gHA
now sure the head movement is exaggerated
but if u changed that who else thinks this set is just as good if not better than most ????

martially speaking it is utterly useless in my opinion. the intention is in all the wrong places.

[firepalm]

Few things are evil in and of themselves, but it has an insidious effect on CMA as a whole, and more importantly it has ripped the fighting heart from CMA, which for many of us is unforgiveable.

wow I did not know Wushu was so powerful as to rip the fighting heart out of CMA. That's funny!

[firepalm]

A little late but nonetheless for you know who

Almost all the modern wushu forms have a forward running followed by a jumping outside crescent kick in the air.

Sounds to me like the jump outside crescent kick which originally can be found in several traditional Northern styles like Cha Quan, Hua Quan, etc...

The direction and angle make no combat sense that futher prove that the Wushu forms designer didnot consider combat situation in the 1st place.

Guess you'll have to check with persons that do those traditional styles for verification on the intended purpose!

[David Jamieson]

the thing about strikes whether they're kicks or punches is to not telegraph them.

when you run in a big circle to get momentum for a kick, you are essentially dancing not practicing martiality. In the traditional versions of outside crescent junp kicks , tornado kicks etc etc, they are generally done from one move to the next or from a standing start so to speak and are not telegraphed.

they do tend to be finishing moves though, particularly for people that are longer in the tooth.