Fighting Strategy

[Yum Cha]

I have never seen such weak FU in my life. You are all worthless and weak.

Firstly, you get the guys email address and head back to your keyboard.

Then, you email him telling him you are the the senior student of <insert Sifu/Master/Coach here> and highly skilled in the art(s) of <insert flashy well know martial art here>.

From there, you tell him that you have insulted you, your teacher and all the brothers that study your art, and that they are honour-less scum, and there is no escaping your retribution, and that of your "family". Feel free to add a few creative in****s abour weeping anii, fat mamas, puss, intellectual disability or even general ****sexual predisposition. Just to show you are a force to be reckoned with.

(Note: make sure you use an anonymous email to avoid any ability to trace your challenge/threat.)

At this point you challenge your enemy to a "no holds barred" death-match on the beaches of Kowloon Island 4 months in advance, so you have time to train yourself up for the meeting by eating small children, and beating live elephants to death with your chi-hardened iron fists of death, and your anaconda like choke holds. At this point you send him one of those gay-boy shots of your half naked torso, covered with rippling muscle. (I can give you a short course in photoshop to get the proper results for only 3x $50 payments if your reply within the next 3o minutes.)

...and you wait.

If they do reply, inform them that the match will be multi fold. Grappling up close, striking at medium distance, kicking at longer range, knives at under 20 feet, pistols at 20-50 feet, kentucky long rifles at 50 to 500 feet, 50cal milspec sniper rifles at 500 to 5000 feet, 20mm cannons at 5000 to 5 miles, cruise missles at between 5 miles and 500 miles, and tactical nuclear weapons at any greater distance.

By the time he gets through that, you should have successfully launched your little bundle of Einsteins joy, and the son of a b1tch should be half way to pink vapour.

If of course you haven't got a tactical nuke at your disposal, just tell him you did your knee and you'll get back to him in a bit.

[Meat Shake]

I start with a nice dinner and bottle of fine wine, then move the couch for a foot massage.
After working my way through the body to loosen things up, Ill change positions for a better angle to work from. At this point more wine may be needed, maybe not.
There may be children watching so I cannot say anymore.

[SevenStar]

I believe strongly in the sensitivity theory that you are talking about. My students start practicing a hand/arm sensitivity drill during their very first class. This type of training is pursued throughout their training time. I even incorporated it into my jujutsu classes because I think that it is such a useful skill.

sensitivity IS necessary. But grappling develops it's own sensitivity, that's all.

[Black Jack II]

Depending on the style and the teacher escrima and the silat family of systems can have some really good midrange blade disarming techinques. Because of there edged weapon based culture you have a world of principles and variations on these different principles to study.But some of it can be really techincally hard to apply in a live sparring enviroment,especially if you are working in a largo/knife boxing range.

Though for really close range knife engagements, the range you often don't see the blade intell you get stabbed, its interesting to take a look at the combat athletics of greco-roman clinch work. Greco really helps you get a hold of the arm, its simple to learn from a western mindset imo, its easier to use clinch work drills against a live opponent than patterned transitional kali flow drills, and it sets up some simple close range counters and controls.

Headbutts, knees, arm wrenches...

[pilgrimsunwukun]

That is pretty wierd but there were some interesting comments.

Anyway it's seems to me that skill can over come strength. Position overcomes speed. And being able to control-with hits, perrys,blocks, kicks, traps, locks, throws, whatever- if you can control the opponent you can do whatever you want to them. Not easy to do but kung fu skill isn't easy to achieve.

Pilgrim Sun wu kung Steve

[SevenStar]

That is pretty wierd but there were some interesting comments.

Anyway it's seems to me that skill can over come strength. Position overcomes speed. And being able to control-with hits, perrys,blocks, kicks, traps, locks, throws, whatever- if you can control the opponent you can do whatever you want to them. Not easy to do but kung fu skill isn't easy to achieve.

Pilgrim Sun wu kung Steve

skill CAN overcome strength,but it won't always do it. if you and I are equal skill levels,being stronger gives me an advantage over you. you cannot always control either. that is the bane of what if discussions - you tend to assume everything you attempt will work. position only overcomes speed if you can achieve position faster than I can. that would make the attributes of speed and timing more important than position, initially, because those are what will get you the position. out of curiosity, have you ever competed full contact?

[MonkeyKingUSA]

Having studied both Chinese and Japanese arts for decades, my studies have given me a strong belief in oneupmanship. Emptyhands were a last resort in ancient times. One only fought barehanded when they lost their weapon.
I am sure everyone here realizes the necessary combat use of anything around them (a belt, a chair, or a building) as a weapon. So I will not discuss the obvious.
When truly defending one's life I feel fighting must boil down to: 1) stealing the initiative in the fight, 2) using economy of motion, 3) using the most vicious attacks in the most committed manner.
As for speed, strength, timing, etc. these are all very important tools. But I always remember a saying I heard years ago, "It is not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog". In the end much of a battle comes down to the mental game. Who can eat the most bitter in order to win.

[SevenStar]

Having studied both Chinese and Japanese arts for decades, my studies have given me a strong belief in oneupmanship. Emptyhands were a last resort in ancient times. One only fought barehanded when they lost their weapon.

true.

3) using the most vicious attacks in the most committed manner.

that's relative. If I KO someone with a left hook, is that more vicious than your eye gouge if the guy still keeps fighting after you do it?

As for speed, strength, timing, etc. these are all very important tools. But I always remember a saying I heard years ago, "It is not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog". In the end much of a battle comes down to the mental game. Who can eat the most bitter in order to win.

theoretically, that is a great quote. realistically, it doesn't always hold water. like I said, but will say it again. AS SKILL LEVELS BECOME EQUAL, those things come into play. I'm sorry, but a 130 lb. guy that is my skill level or lower really doesn't have much of a chance against me. Now, if his skill is far greater than mine, then my strength advantage means much less, because he has me out classed.

sticking with myself as an example, judo black belts and brown belts are either my skill level or higher. in shiai, I have beaten black belts by forcing a throw, because I didn't off balance them properly. strength was my advantage, and it won me the match. our skill level was close, and greater strength gave me the advantage. Against lower belts I don't even have to use technique. I can just overpower them if I choose to. In bjj, purple, brown and black belts give me fits. They outclass me so much that I cannot handle them. However, I can physically just resist a lot of their submission attempts - strength is my equalizer. When I do, they merely transition to something else and get me another way, but it helps me to stay above water when I need it. People lower skill level than me, I can use nothing but strength the whole match, and they will still never have a chance. people my level I can use strength to power out of situations or force them into others. this is a great advantage, as if my skill is lacking at a particular instant, brute force is an equalizer. The same can be said of speed, or any other attribute.

[pilgrimsunwukun]

7*
Nope , never done full contact. I'm not ready for everything goes fighting- broken bones, blown out knees, elbows to the throat all done on concrete. So I suck but at least I know it. If you eye gouge a guy and they're still able to fight you, well you do have the experience of doing bjj, shui jow, long fist, muy thai, after an eye gouge and all that I'd think they wouldn't be able to last against you. My own experience is being blinded for a moment was just as bad as getting the wobbbly knees before falling down knocked out.

I think when talking about position is better then speed, getting inside is better then fighting from the outside, superior attitude overcomes skill, skill overcomes strength- all those are strategy except for the last. Skill gives me tactics, skill gives me that ability to do my strategy, blah, blah, blah

Both strategy and tactics are found in the training of the plethora of choices out there.

It's too bad Piercing hammer, Northern Shaolin, Three Harmonies and other Sifu don't chime in but then again,"Those that know don't say, those that say don't know." I'm out.
Steve

[unkokusai]

If of course you haven't got a tactical nuke at your disposal, just tell him you did your knee and you'll get back to him in a bit.

Ah! The sifuabel technique!

[pilgrimsunwukun]

As a Sifu, Monkeyking USA, thanks for your insights.
Steve

[unkokusai]

"It is not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog".

That's all well and good unless its a Great Dane and a Pomeranian.

[Yum Cha]

Another saying:

"Its not the size of the ship, but the skill of the seaman, but ain't no fool goes out to sea in a canoe."

[SevenStar]

7*
Nope , never done full contact. I'm not ready for everything goes fighting- broken bones, blown out knees, elbows to the throat all done on concrete. So I suck but at least I know it. If you eye gouge a guy and they're still able to fight you, well you do have the experience of doing bjj, shui jow, long fist, muy thai, after an eye gouge and all that I'd think they wouldn't be able to last against you. My own experience is being blinded for a moment was just as bad as getting the wobbbly knees before falling down knocked out.

I think when talking about position is better then speed, getting inside is better then fighting from the outside, superior attitude overcomes skill, skill overcomes strength- all those are strategy except for the last. Skill gives me tactics, skill gives me that ability to do my strategy, blah, blah, blah

Both strategy and tactics are found in the training of the plethora of choices out there.

It's too bad Piercing hammer, Northern Shaolin, Three Harmonies and other Sifu don't chime in but then again,"Those that know don't say, those that say don't know." I'm out.
Steve

that's not really strategy. strategy isa combination and constant analysis of those things. for example, you say being inside is better than being outside. what if you are 6'5 and your opponent is 5'9. you have a reach advantage, so why step in, when you can stay out and have less chance of getting hit? if you are in close, your long arms are now a disadvantage. THIS is strategy. the skill vs. strength bit is assumption.

as for the guys you mentioned, pm them. they may not have seen this thread yet

[SevenStar]

Another saying:

"Its not the size of the ship, but the skill of the seaman, but ain't no fool goes out to sea in a canoe."

nice one...