Christian Martial Arts Union

[Shaolin Wookie]

HAHAHA.....I started reading that Flying Spaghetti Monster article, and thought, man this is cheezy.....

But when I got to the chart that related Global Warming to a decrease in pirates, I just about lost my **** mind.

[laugarkuen]

lmao

That site is fantastic.

[Dim Wit Mak]

http://www.gmau.org/constitution.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/oh/ff4christ/System.html


Havnt done enough research on this...but at least this is a start.

I have to believe there are others like me who love the TMA's...but do not want to open any doorways for the enemy to get a foothold in our lives.

Can Anyone out there identify with me?

JDK

Welcome to the world of Wolf Kung Fu. How does it feel to get ripped by the pack? Remember that those who live Godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. II Timothy 3:12.

Chistrianity and martial arts DO blend. I have gotten so much bad advice by so many people, both well meaning and those with bad intentions, that much of the time I just keep my own council. You would do well to do this with Christian martial arts organizations. Do your homework and decide for yourself. If you want to send me a private message, I will tell you the one I belong to, and am very happy with.

I don't know a whole lot about the ones you mentioned except what I see from visiting their web sites.

[lunghushan]

Welcome to the world of Wolf Kung Fu. How does it feel to get ripped by the pack? Remember that those who live ...

I have to say that honestly, I dislike Christians as much as Muslims. Same thing, only a different flavor. Why can't you just keep your religion to yourself?

It's kindof like coming onto a kung fu board and saying that Northern Shaolin is the best and everybody else are the enemy and wolves, etc ... bottom line is you are somehow thinking your are special when in fact you are just another human.

[JDK]

I have to say that honestly, I dislike Christians as much as Muslims. Same thing, only a different flavor. Why can't you just keep your religion to yourself?

It's kindof like coming onto a kung fu board and saying that Northern Shaolin is the best and everybody else are the enemy and wolves, etc ... bottom line is you are somehow thinking your are special when in fact you are just another human.

I cant speak for others Lunghushan...but I am not special....I a regular sinner like everyone else...the only difference is I accepted God's offer of love 30 years ago...and my life, thinking, and values have not been the same since.

But I still sin! I Goof up often! I am as imperfect as anyone!

Asking us to " keep our religion to ourselves" is unfair and un-American.
Would I make the same or similiar request if you if , let's say I couldnt stand your Screen name???? Or your religious views?

I dont have to agree with your views..but they dont anger or annoy me. Have you considered my earlier post asking WHY the mention of Jesus, the God of the Bible is so offensive, when tolerance is the battle cry of the day? Why is it OK to be anything...OTHER than a Christian ???? We havnt blown up buildings, declared that Israel should be wiped off the Map, made our women 3rd class citizens and trained our Youth to hate an entire race of people ?????

Again...not condeming or acting "Holier-than-thou" ( I Hate the actions of those type of people...but I realize they are just doing what they have learned, all I can do is pray for them and ask God to show them true humility as Jesus taught and lived.)

....just something to ponder.

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JDK
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[NJM]

Again...not condeming or acting "Holier-than-thou" ( No I Hate the actions of those type of people...but I realize they are just doing what they have learned, all I can do is pray for them and ask God to show them true humility as Jesus taught and lived.)

Lol hypocrite.

Response: how is that hypocritical? I was just saying that I would pray for them and I never said I was better than them!

Rebuttal: But the fact that you need to pray for anyone, in your sense, implies that they are somehow lost to something that you understand. This is rude.

Why do you think that the devil will attack you through CMA? Who told you this? If god is always protecting you, why the heck do you NEED A UNION FOR CHRISTIAN MARTIAL ARTISTS???!??! If you're a christian, you're already protected, right? At least MORE protected. So do you not trust enough in the power of your individual humanity to resist evil? I just don't get why you can't stay out of how your western view has so innacurrately deemed "the spiritual aspects of CMA and Qigong." WTF? You obviously don't get the Chinese religious mentality. Just explain why you need to make a Christian Martial Arts union if all of the members were going to be Christians already?!??!?!

[Christopher M]

HAHA....I understand why you're miffed.

I'm not at all miffed.

It's something I've researched nearly every day of my life. I've read all those books and more.

No, you haven't. If you had you wouldn't be plainly incorrect about every single thing you've said. If you had studied the field you'd be able to provide references from which each of your statements are coming.

I don't know why you're pretending to be an authority on something you're not. I don't know why, when confronted with this fact, you just retreat deeper into this pretension. It seems rather silly.

[lunghushan]

Asking us to " keep our religion to ourselves" is unfair and un-American.
Would I make the same or similiar request if you if , let's say I couldnt stand your Screen name???? Or your religious views?

I dont have to agree with your views..but they dont anger or annoy me. Have you considered my earlier post asking WHY the mention of Jesus, the God of the Bible is so offensive, when tolerance is the battle cry of the day? Why is it OK to be anything...OTHER than a Christian ???? We havnt blown up buildings, declared that Israel should be wiped off the Map, made our women 3rd class citizens and trained our Youth to hate an entire race of people ?????

Actually, IMHO you are pretty much guilty of hating.

I was on the news watching some Muslim guy say he wanted to instill Sharia law in Britain and on the entire world, and I came on this board and found your anti-CMA rhetoric.

If you just said, "I would like to find a Christian martial arts school." Then that would be cool. But instead you said that CMA is the enemy. Just like the Muslims saying the West is the enemy.

It is perfectly FINE for you to be Christian, IMHO. It is perfectly FINE for people to be Muslim, IMHO. It is NOT fine for people to say that others are the enemy, or evil, or somehow inferior to them based upon religion.

Do you understand the difference? It's pretty simple.

I have to believe there are others like me who love the TMA's...but do not want to open any doorways for the enemy to get a foothold in our lives.

Can Anyone out there identify with me?

JDK

This kind of rhetoric, IMHO, is hate speech. It's pretty simple. I dislike hate speech. I don't mind Christians or Muslims that practice whatever they do and leave others alone. But I don't like people labeling others the enemy based upon their religion.

You know, I watch Christian television from time to time. And a common theme right now in Christian television is that Christianity is under attack in the United States.

Well, it is NOT under attack. What is under attack is your promoting your religion and trying to pass laws upon other people based upon your religion, outlawing abortion, trying to outlaw gay marriage based upon your religion.

You are promoting your religion as law for the secular world, and THAT is what people don't like. Your religion is NOT under attack. Islam is NOT under attack. What people don't like and are fighting against is you trying to force your religion down their throats by making it the law of the land. The 10 commandments on a public building, Christmas trees in public buildings where there are no other displays from other religions, prayers in school where they don't have prayers for other religions ... all of this is promoting your religion above others.

Even the Army has Chaplains from multiple major religions. That's what people want is separation from Church and State. This is because it is unfair to have one religion being put into priority above other religions. You wouldn't like it as a Christian if there was Muslim law, would you? Muslims don't like Christian law.

Therefore, we have to have a system that has secular law and doesn't put one religion above another.

[lunghushan]

I mean, basically I just don't get it. There is NO proof for your religion. There is no video tape of any of it, nothing but a written account that could easily have been fabricated or doctored especially since it has been shown historically to date many years after the supposed life of the person you are writing about.

So if you want to practice or believe something there is no proof for, then why would you promote it over something else there is no proof for? Why would Christians promote their religions over Islam? It is totally irrational.

So in our society we have a separation of church and state, so that there is no promotion of one religion over another so you are free to practice your religion. Otherwise, you could just as easily be persecuted if, say, Islam became the dominant religion. Get it?

So if you promote your religion, call others the enemy, say abortionists are promoting murder and gay marriage is sinful and should be outlawed, and others fight that.

It is not that they are attacking your religion. They are attacking your promoting your religion above others. They are fighting against your trying to break the separation between church and state. They are fighting against you trying to break everything that people have been working for in the modern world.

Which, ironically, is something YOU want too. Would you like there to be Sharia law and to be persecuted so you couldn't read your Bible? No, you would not.

Therefore, and this is even a quote from the Bible, "All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them."

Therefore, unless you want people to start labeling you evil and the enemy, then perhaps you should not label them evil and the enemy.

If you do not want to be attacked, then perhaps you should not attack. The crap you spew on your website about pagans is nonsense. There might be some pagans who do bad things, but just because some do doesn't mean they all do.

[Dim Wit Mak]

I have to say that honestly, I dislike Christians as much as Muslims. Same thing, only a different flavor. Why can't you just keep your religion to yourself?

It's kindof like coming onto a kung fu board and saying that Northern Shaolin is the best and everybody else are the enemy and wolves, etc ... bottom line is you are somehow thinking your are special when in fact you are just another human.

It is a fact that we are all just human beings. I have never believed I was superior or inferior to anyone else. I am just a sinner who came to Jesus for salvation.

[lunghushan]

It is a fact that we are all just human beings. I have never believed I was superior or inferior to anyone else. I am just a sinner who came to Jesus for salvation.

The bottom line here is that Jesus came to the Jews. He preached against intolerance. He preached against persecution. He said, "let he who has not sinned throw the first stone." "All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them." "do not pluck the mote from another’s eye, but to look to the beam in your own." (paraphrasing)

Did he say, "Go around judging everybody as evil and satanic if they're not Christian?"

Did he say, "Go around and make sure all the laws of the land are Christian laws because no other religion is any good?"

Did he say, "Find fault in everyone but overlook the faults in yourself?"

No, he didn't say those things. Therefore, I think that is the problem here. Christians aren't even following their own religion. At least you can't accuse the Islamic people of hypocrisy. Terrorism yes, but hipocrisy no.

[lunghushan]

Anyways, I told you that you shouldn't get me started... I had to endure years of this hypocritical crap growing up.

But at least if you want to be preaching religion you better follow your own fricking religion.

[Ravenshaw]

I dont have to agree with your views..but they dont anger or annoy me. Have you considered my earlier post asking WHY the mention of Jesus, the God of the Bible is so offensive, when tolerance is the battle cry of the day? Why is it OK to be anything...OTHER than a Christian ???? We havnt blown up buildings, declared that Israel should be wiped off the Map, made our women 3rd class citizens and trained our Youth to hate an entire race of people ?????

Their mention isn't offensive. It's when they are used to justify intolerance that people get irate. For example, the people who harass planned parenthood employees and clients in the name of god. Or when people harass gays in the name of god. Etc...

And Christians have committed many crimes of hate and war in the past and today that don't need to be recounted.

I don't think all Christians are bad. I just don't think you've been fed correct information regarding the "occult" of CMA. Check sources and do research. The Christian Coalition and Christian newsletters, etc. are too biased to be trusted without strong facts backing them up.

[Dim Wit Mak]

The bottom line here is that Jesus came to the Jews. He preached against intolerance. He preached against persecution. He said, "let he who has not sinned throw the first stone." "All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them." "do not pluck the mote from another’s eye, but to look to the beam in your own." (paraphrasing)

Did he say, "Go around judging everybody as evil and satanic if they're not Christian?"

Did he say, "Go around and make sure all the laws of the land are Christian laws because no other religion is any good?"

Did he say, "Find fault in everyone but overlook the faults in yourself?"

No, he didn't say those things. Therefore, I think that is the problem here. Christians aren't even following their own religion. At least you can't accuse the Islamic people of hypocrisy. Terrorism yes, but hipocrisy no.

Your points are well taken. We Christians need to examine ourselves often. Sometimes I have received better treatment from people who have no pretext of religion than from some so called "Christians".

[MasterKiller]

We havnt blown up buildings

You just blew up Iraq.

declared that Israel should be wiped off the Map

That's because X-tains CREATED the map.

made our women 3rd class citizens

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression" (1 Timothy 2:11-14).

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in every thing" (Ephesians 5:22-24). "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God" (1 Corinthians 11:3). "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord" (Colossians 3:18).

"And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the Lord by thy estimation. And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary. And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. And if it be from sixty years old and above, if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female, ten shekels" (Leviticus 27:1-7)

"If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out onto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city . . . But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die . . . For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her" (Deuteronomy 22:23-27).

and trained our Youth to hate an entire race of people ?????

Right. They are trained to hate everyone who isn't X-tain. That's a lot better. (Jesus Camp, anyone?)