Hi all,
Thanks for the great responce Brian. I have been planing on getting the 3 dvd from plum on the Taiwan meeting. And the 6 book set is real nice.
Asmo-- You are correct. I know the YKS system has Old school ancestral white crane in its foundation. BUT, im not an expert on Crane , and so want to do the research along side my fellow Crane brothers and sisters.
Ancestral White crane, wasnt organized into Forms. It was small San Sik sets. Just like certain kinds of Old school wing chun.
Each san sik was a Jing Pattern, with concepts and principles attached to it. Hence you could than use the Jing and concepts anyway your imagination can. Gradualy the San sik got linked into sets. Other sets were expanded on certain ideas. And than finnaly the Crane system was reformed at one point, and the general system took its current manefestation, with longer forms.
Hence Ancestral Red Boat Wing Chun, in my opinion, is related to Ancestral White crane. Its commonly accepted in many WHite crane circles that Wing chun is a child of the Crane art. We just had a non crane Father.
Our oral tradition in YKS and Cho Family WCK, is that a 5th generation female master taught a Male Lay monk of the name Miu Shun (not the shaolin similar name). THis was in the area of Emie Mountain range. Miu Shun practised a very soft Internal Art that used Snake like motions. Miu Shun Combined his boxing with that of the White crane, and created the original WCK system.
Still preserved in Cho Family writings, is that on Miu Shuns death bed, he admited to his only diciple, Yim Yee that his art that he had just learned, is not the White crane system, but a hybred system.
Several generations later, the system continued to evolve on the Operatic Red Boats. The Leader of the troup was a known White crane master of the name Lee Man Mao. Who lead the opera troup in the Tai Ping rebelion. Opera was banned by the Chings, and several WCK opera stars taught there skills to the next generation which included Leung Jan, Fok Bo Chuen,Fung siu ching and the Cho Brothers.
This generation further passed down the art and it evolved further, and at this time we see the standard 3 hand forms emerge. Than by the mid 1900s that was evolved even more, when the WCK system was taught openly to the public, for the first time.
I can see how, if one would only use Yip man/H.K WCK as a comparison, it isnt as obvious. But if you look at Old school WCK, our forms are simply linked JIng patterns, with concepts and principles attached to it.
White crane gave us our Centerline theory, Chuen Jing or Inch force, 5 element Hand method, Po Pai Application, and as a friend of mine likes to point out, "The Sun Potential". And this is the Tip of the iceberg
We also have San sik that are very much like the Ancestral White crane San sik that still exist today linked into small 10 or 12 movement sets.
We even have san sik called"Pok yik Jeung / Flapping wing palms"
or" Bok Hok Kum Wu / White Crane captures the Fox".
The Pok Yik Jeung are a Horizontal Jing, that is thrown by the waist. Its old school purpose was to uproot, and knock someone off of a boat. Ive actualy seen the exact motion in crane, but i think its called Horizontal Flying wings.
So, the idea is to dig to the center though, and compare and contrast it side by side with written, pictoral and possibly DVD.
Thanks everyone
B
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