What actually does beat a grappler?

[phantom]

I think I agree that biting and eye gouging are pretty low percentage moves against a grappler, and probably not justifiable in most cases. Hitting him while staying on the move could work if you can knock him out with a punch or two, which is not likely. It seems to me that pressure point attacks are not always reliable. So, what actually would give you a good chance of beating a grappler? Thanks in advance.

[Chief Fox]

Most of it depends on your skill level and your opponents skill level. I don't think that ALL "grapplers" are necessariliy good fighters. A better question would be "What beats a good fighter?" The answer is, "a better fighter". If you're worried about the grapplers then you have to get comfortable in their world. I'm not saying that you have to be a Black Belt in BJJ but learning some techniques to avoid the take down and learning some escapes to get back up on your feet as soon as possible are a good thing.

Here's a little personal experience on eye gouges and how effective they are.

When I was in college I dated this girl. It turns out that she was dating a few other people as well. I went to her house one night to confront her about it and one of the other people she was dating was there. Well her and I got into a huge argument. Eventually the other guy got involved and out of the blue he pops me right in the nose. Broke it, actually. I had no formal fight training at the time but I was p!ssed off and that takes you a long way. So I go at the guy. We scuffle around a bit and end up on the ground. He's on his back, I'm on top of him but he sorta has me in a guilitine. I reach up over my head to his face, I put both of my thumbs right in his eyes and applied pressure with my fingures wrapped around his head. If you've ever had this done to you, you know it hurts. At this point I calmly said, "if you don't let go of me, I'm going to rip your eyes out." He let go. I moved my hands from his eyes to his neck and started to choke him while I was banging his head on the floor.

So the eye gouge along with some "negotiating" has actually worked for me.

FYI, I'm not proud of what I did that night. I shouldn't have gone to her house in the first place. I had been drinking though and my judgement was very clouded to say the least.

[Oso]

umm, the same thing that beats any other 'style' of fighter:

Being better than they are at the time you fight them.

[MasterKiller]

Takedown defense + clinching = staying on your feet.

[FatherDog]

So, what actually would give you a good chance of beating a grappler?

Training with grapplers.

[SevenStar]

Most of it depends on your skill level and your opponents skill level. I don't think that ALL "grapplers" are necessariliy good fighters. A better question would be "What beats a good fighter?" The answer is, "a better fighter". If you're worried about the grapplers then you have to get comfortable in their world. I'm not saying that you have to be a Black Belt in BJJ but learning some techniques to avoid the take down and learning some escapes to get back up on your feet as soon as possible are a good thing.

Here's a little personal experience on eye gouges and how effective they are.

When I was in college I dated this girl. It turns out that she was dating a few other people as well. I went to her house one night to confront her about it and one of the other people she was dating was there. Well her and I got into a huge argument. Eventually the other guy got involved and out of the blue he pops me right in the nose. Broke it, actually. I had no formal fight training at the time but I was p!ssed off and that takes you a long way. So I go at the guy. We scuffle around a bit and end up on the ground. He's on his back, I'm on top of him but he sorta has me in a guilitine. I reach up over my head to his face, I put both of my thumbs right in his eyes and applied pressure with my fingures wrapped around his head. If you've ever had this done to you, you know it hurts. At this point I calmly said, "if you don't let go of me, I'm going to rip your eyes out." He let go. I moved my hands from his eyes to his neck and started to choke him while I was banging his head on the floor.

So the eye gouge along with some "negotiating" has actually worked for me.

FYI, I'm not proud of what I did that night. I shouldn't have gone to her house in the first place. I had been drinking though and my judgement was very clouded to say the least.

On an interesting note, notice you were in a grappling situation when the gouge was used...

[TenTigers]

don't fight their fight. I'm not talking about stand up verses grappling-I'm talking about changing your perspective on grappling. Look more towards the Indonesian Silat grappling. They will go for ankle locks, armlocks, and everything breaks. Viscious stuff, but while the other guy is concentrating on mount and submission, you concentrate on breaking whetever is within reach.
The difference is in your philosophy. Don't think sport, think of survival. Don't defeat your opponent-destroy your attacker. Change your mindset.

[Chief Fox]

On an interesting note, notice you were in a grappling situation when the gouge was used...

That's true. Maybe the best time to use a gouge is in a clinch or hold situation when your opponent is very close.

[MasterKiller]

don't fight their fight. I'm not talking about stand up verses grappling-I'm talking about changing your perspective on grappling. Look more towards the Indonesian Silat grappling. They will go for ankle locks, armlocks, and everything breaks. Viscious stuff, but while the other guy is concentrating on mount and submission, you concentrate on breaking whetever is within reach.
The difference is in your philosophy. Don't think sport, think of survival. Don't defeat your opponent-destroy your attacker. Change your mindset.

Without a dominant position, you won't have the leverage to break much.

[Vash]

Chuck Norris.

[Mr Punch]

I grappled Chuck Norris once to get an eye-gouge on him. His eyelids were so tough they choked me out.

[green_willow]

Chuck Norris.

Yes I agree - Chuck Norris, David Carradine and other martial art greats will have no problem. But mere motals like us we should focus on using our side kicks to keep grapplers away.

[Royal Dragon]

Throw them on thier head, and follow up by stomping them on thier necks really hard!

[MasterKiller]

My friend told me that jumping out of trees into horse stance is usually enough to frighten grapplers away.

[David Jamieson]

to fight a style, you have to train that style to learn what it is about. simple as that.

find the places where the water slips out and hit them.

I think it's been said, 'train with grapplers'.