Katrina devastated the south, gas 6 $ a gallon

[SPJ]

Helps from abroad.

global assistence

[Fallout]

It's nice to hear the crowd beat the rapist to death.

[SimonM]

On the topic of global asistance I have just one thing to say to the USA as a country.

Take Cuba up on it's offer of doctors. Seriously.

[SPJ]

Wow, 1,100 docs.

A video clip on recovery in Biloxi.

recovery

If a disaster of this nature and magnitude, the areas will be declared a "war zone" and troops taking over and implimenting martial laws in many countries.

The police, firemen, mayor and any civil units and admin will be all coordinated and under the command of the military.

Military transport, medic, supply, engineering, etc will be all on site.

Once some basic structure and order are restored. Then the command and control go back to the local civil units and admin.

[SPJ]

A side note on the casino on a barge.

In the early 90's, they only have a single story.

Now they have 3 stories buildings on a 500 feet barge!

The barge was swept inland on the ground.

[Royal Dragon]

I wonder how they are going to get it back in the water?

[SPJ]

There is a website for Katrina missing children.

www.missingkids.com

[SPJ]

This is the lyric from the song entitled "Put a little love in your heart. "

Think of your fellow man
Lend him a helping hand
Put a little love in your heart
You see it's getting late
Oh, please don't hesitate
Put a little love in your heart
And the world will be a better place
And the world will be a better place
For you and me
You just wait and see
Another day goes by
And still the children cry
Put a little love in your heart
If you want the world to know
We won't let hatred grow
Put a little love in your heart


And the world will be a better place
And the world will be a better place
For you and me
You just wait and see, wait and see


Take a good look around
And if you're lookin' down
Put a little love in your heart
And i hope when you decide
Kindness will be your guide
Put a little love in your heart


And the world will be a better place
And the world will be a better place
For you and me
You just wait and see
Put a little love in your heart
Each and every day
Put a little love in your heart
There's got to be a better way
Put a little love in your heart
Don't you think it's time we start
Put a little love in your heart

[SPJ]

It is one of my favorite song when growing up in the "60.

Watching the news on TV and hearing the stories about the Vietnam conflict, watergate, cultural revolution in China etc.

This was the song that made me go to bed and sleep.

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[MonkeySlap Too]

Heh, I just saw the last post, and thought you were talking about 'eve of destruction' - that one always lulled me to sleep...

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

So the mayor had nothing to do with it eh? How can he be expected to make such hard choices as using the existing bus system to bus citizens out? But since there is a republican in office, lets blame the national government.

Republican? Democrat? Whig? it doesn't matter.. when the Feds saw that the local and state gov't was overwhelmed, it was their DUTY to intervene, not to sit and watch people dying and excuse themselves by chanting "no one asked us to help.." That is the most inexcusable statement yet... Our leader, GWB, sits in a classroom for 7 minutes after he learns of 911.. indecision.. GWB watches as people beg for help FOR DAYS after Katrina.. indecision.. AND, i don't care what his politics are, he is the "leader of the free world", President of the United States.. and indecisive at the expense of the people.. this is not a partisan issue, it is about character.. i vote for whom i feel will do the best job regardless of politics.. But, it should be noted that the Republican agenda would have this Nation in a theocracy if it could.. but, at least they have an agenda.. the Democrats only complain..

BULL!! Poverty is never a reason to resort to crime, never. Growing up as a small child my family had it very hard. There was many times we didn't know where the next meal was coming from. Sometimes we didn't have heat in the winter and I slept between my parents to keep me from freezing in the night. We put bottled items in the fridge versus the cupboard to prevent them from freezing and bursting. And you know what, never did we have to resort to crime. Heck we didn't even have to go on government assistance. We made do. My parents pulled themselves up from their boot straps and have now built a comfortable life.

For your resolve and the wisdom and character of your parents you have my respect.. my story is not so unlike yours, but, i see the reality of the plight of the increasing poverty and hopelessness of some of our citizens.. aside from that, BULL!! If, in some dark bleak time, my children were starving and i had to choose between their lives and a criminal act, like looting.. i choose life.. if you don't, i shame you. How nice of us to sit behind our screens and keyboards and pass judgment on people wading through waist deep toxic soup trying to stay alive.. This is the US, it's not Camelot.. just because someone is able to weasle their way to the presidency (it matters not who, weasling is what they do) it doesn't make them King Aurthur or infallible.. it is our duty as citizens to see past the Office of the Presidency and evaluate the person in it.. GWB has a legacy of deception, elitism and indecision.. to suggest otherwise is to deny the hard evidence.. BUT, truly, that can be resolved later.. now, today, we must act in unison to save the survivors, contain the spread of disease, and intelligently determine the fate of building in such dangerous locations.. to rebuild N.O. would be socially irresponsible and morally deficient.. catastrophe will happen again.

Only if this nation is willing to close many small businesses and eliminate many jobs. This way instead of working for minimum wage these workers will be standing in the unemployment line. While on the subject, where in the constitution does it say that the government owes anyone a job, or a guaranteed rate of pay?

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. " Justice? Work is work, someone breaks their butts for 10-12 hours a day and gets minimum wage, someone else buys and sells the businesses employing those min. wage workers and makes millions.. who better represents the reality of "hard work" (Kung Fu literally means "hard work")? "Insure domestic tranquility"? creating a caste system that promotes social instability seems contrary to that notion, eh? "provide for the common defence"? Yep, we really did a good job there, we defended those flood victims as soon as we figured out who to blame.. "promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" Now, there are indeed sufficient resources in this country to insure that everyone can eat and sleep securely.. there are social models around the world where such is the case.. personally, i suggest a wage/price range that insures the lowest has resources to live with dignity and the highest is reasonably comfortable and has the incentive to creatively contribute.. but, such opulent disparity as we have with sports, CEO, entertainment, and such can only breed discontent from those living in poverty.. for those whom the system works it is way too inconvenient to fix it so the system works for everyone.. it is much easier to blame the people in poverty for their condition.. it just ain't that simple..

And I am sorry to be attacking your ideas Tai Chi Bob. I have agreed with you in other threads and do respect you for your longevity in our arts.

Please do not apologize, this is a dialogue we desperately need.. i have no ill-will in the exchange of insights or philosophies.. and i respect your perspectives.. and i agree with certain aspects.. but, the greatest nation on earth is stumbling in its own homeland and too few are willing to tell the King he has no clothes on.. too many defend the King on partisan lines.. It is time to rebuild this nation on the principles of its founding documents.. Please point out the deficiencies in my concepts, please help us to find some answers.. our future and our kid's futures depends on it..

It is high time to revive the CCC and the WPA.. improve the nation and put people to work at a dignified wage.. no handouts, earn your keep.. on the job training to get people back into the work force.. this nation is in crisis, the opulent lifestyles and poverty should find a balance nearer the middle, its do-able.. a little sacrifice and compassion.. uh-oh, sacrifice? dang, there's the problem.. "i got mine, screw you". Yeah, i'm a little socialist at times.. but, i see past the rhetoric of "socialist evils" and see some potential for a better society.. And, if the following doesn't have socialist overtones, i don't know what does:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. "

Be well..

[ZIM]

TCB: 2 things.

You're wrong about Fed involvement or lack thereof. The administration did try to intervene prior to Katrina's landfall but LA's governor fought that, trying to retain local control, arguing that giving Federal control might allow the Feds to shift blame to the Locals. While they wrestled with that non-problem, they didn't enact their evacuation plans.
You don't have to believe me. Its in the newspapers. Its fact.

WRT CCC & WPA: I'm actually in agreement with you on this, but I fear that if Bush were to do it, the cries of 'fascism' would become very shrill. Since he's in office for the next 3 years, there isn't much point in dreaming of it. So we need alternatives for the nonce.

[Ou Ji]

Excerpts from a first hand account I receved by email:

"By the time we stopped collecting items for this trip we had over 15,000 pounds of food, clothing, water, and medicine. An amazing job everyone!! However when we got to the affected areas we found that no government or military official wanted to take “control” of the items. They basically told us that they had the job of providing ice and water for a week or two at a time and that’s all they were going to do. We could not believe it! Everyone knew that what we had was needed and needed to be given out, but no one wanted to be in charge of it."

"The Red Cross and the National Guard refused our shipments. It was made clear to us that the Red Cross takes monetary donations to provide emergency assistance only. Meaning that they were there to provide medical assistance and shelter only because they are “first responders”. Now I’m not trying to belittle the Red Cross or tell you not to donate there, but I am saying that you should find out exactly what is going to be provided and where."

Just some food for thought.

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

You're wrong about Fed involvement or lack thereof. The administration did try to intervene prior to Katrina's landfall but LA's governor fought that, trying to retain local control, arguing that giving Federal control might allow the Feds to shift blame to the Locals. While they wrestled with that non-problem, they didn't enact their evacuation plans

ZIM: It's not that i don't believe you.. it's the FEDERAL Gov't, the ones with the Army and Air Force.. they don't "try" they simply DO.. let the courts figure it out later, who cares who gets blamed for anything as long as we save our brothers and sisters. What happened "before" the hurricane is not nearly as sinister as what happened afterward.. This is the issue, "Red-Tape kills hundreds in the wake of natural disaster".. Now, the feds will embrace the race debate to deflect the real issues, and most Americans will take the bait.. why did the Feds not take charge? State's Rights disappear when the state cannot protect its citizens, THAT is one of the Fed's responsibilities.. I am at a complete loss as to why anyone cannot grasp the notion that the ball was dropped at every level, it became a "hot potato" no one wanted to hold onto..

Be well..

[FuXnDajenariht]

Greetings..
"..........."We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. "

Be well..

amen to that.....your a god**** speech writer Bob...you know thats all you really need nowadays to run for office.

even tho...in our presidents "defense". our constitution didn't really mean **** until about the 50's or 60's after the civil/equal rights movement really took off. since actions speak louder than words, our history before that reads like a long f-ed up story about hate....inequality.....a large dose of hypocricy.....some opression....etc etc, you get the idea. a few enlightened souls a couple hundred years ago does not a great nation make. dont get me wrong tho, im all for the flag waving dying for my country stuff.... but im jus sayin.