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    Chinese Archery-lost martial art

    For the Unitiated, read Chinese Archery by Stephen Selby

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

    basic facts about the history of Chinese archery listed by eras

    late neolithic/early bronze age (Xia, Shang dynsaties)

    1. Chinese archery is as old as Chinese history itself. late neolithic and early bronze age Chinese religions often based around archery shaman cults like that of Yi the archer
    2. the composite recurve bow is thought to have been invented in China since Shang pictographs offer the first written evidence for this type of bow. Composite bows have existed before Shang China but a composite bow of recurve design does not show up outside of China until the first millenium B.C
    3. Chinese recruve bows of this era were asymetrical, long (over 55 inches) and had extremely heavy draw weights up to 160 pounds. Chinese recurve bows will be known for their incredible draw weight until the Ming dynasty. bow weights were meant to fascilitate the ability to penetrate 7 layers of toughened leather from 90 yards away
    4. made from horn, woodcore (usually bamboo or mulberry) and sinew with fish glue. this is the way pretty much all composite recurve bows are made up of.

    Feudal age up to warring states era(western and eastern zhou)
    1. Invention of the crossbow
    2. Archery is considered the 6 arts of the Jun Zi(gentleman). Emphasized by Kong Zi (most likely an archery instructor himself at one point in his life). ritual archery is created
    3. via Confucian principles and the warrior nobility that has existed since China's beginnings, the Wu Shi (warrior gentleman or "knight") class develops. archery is considered the most important skill.
    4. Horse archery is adapted from the Xiong Nu nomads by King Wujiang of Zhao. Soon all the warring states adopt it. it will be considered among the most important (if not the most important) military skill up until the late Qing dynasty

    Early Imperial (Qin, Han,Three kingdoms,Wei-Jin, Age of fragmentation, Sui, Tang)

    1. ritual archery reaches its peak of popularity during early Han dynasty.
    2. Emperor Han Wu Di makes cavalry the main striking force in the Chinese military making Horse archery skills even more important
    3. crossbow declines in popularity during the North-South dynasties due to popularity of heavy cavalry
    4. ritual archery vanishes by age of fragmentation slowly replaced by sport archery
    5. Emperor Tang Tai Zong allows archery practice to occur right in his palace(hundreds being trained right in his palace). He joins them frequently
    6. Empress Wu ZeTian formalizes archery examinations (mounted, standing, sitting)
    7. sport archery becomes China's most popular sport during Tang
    8. Wang Ju's famous archery manual is written. archery instruction in the form of poems

    late Imperial (5 dynasties ten kingdoms, Song, Jin/Liao.Xi Xia, Yuan, Ming, Qing)

    1. crossbow becomes popular again
    2. automatic crossbow and divine siege crossbow invented in Song
    3. constant incursions of people skilled with bow like the Qidan and NuZhen during Song make archery skills even more important
    4. after Mongol conquest. the traditional Chinese recurve bow is re-evaluated and adapted to Mongol style. shorter bow length, lower draw weight enabling faster shooting as well as the string bridge
    5. by the Ming dynasty, 200 schools of archery styles exists
    6. Manchus re-introduce popularity of long heavy draw weight bows
    7. by 20th century, Chinese archery dies.


    now i proudly display my own bows

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...azulbow008.jpg
    this one above is a typical Ming Chinese/Mongol bow. 60 pound draw weight

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...azulbow001.jpg
    this one above is more typical of pre-Yuan era Chinese bows. long length and heavy draw weight. this one is 110 pounds of draw (shown unstrung)
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    oh, forgot to mention

    famous Chinese archers or those known for archery skills

    1. Yi the archer, Kong Zi(Confucious), Yang Youji, General Li Guang, Emperor Tang Tai Zong, Wang Ju, Lu Bu, Qi Ji Guang, Yu Dayou, General Yue Fei, King Wuling of Zhao, Li Chengfen, Gao Ying...and soon

    myself
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    Asian (to call it chinese covers to much area) archery has not died out totaly. There is at least one country that still valuse skill with a bow, its just that I cant remember who they are.

    I saw a documentory on them a while back. They send a guy to the olympics with an old fashioned "normal" type bow.
    LOL.. really, what else did you hear?.. did you hear that he was voted Man of the Year by Kung-Fu Magizine?

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    cant remember who they are

    YangLiCheng is right - China has an extraordinary archery heritage, but the only place you'll see it nowadays, for the most part, is in the sale of jadeite and nephrite archer rings at Chinese tourist and 'antique' stores. It's too bad really. I'm not sure why it's not more popular in China. I hear that some of the minorities still practice archery, but that's a pandora's box when it comes to CMA research. China did capture two silvers in archery at the Olympics, Li Lingjuan 1984 and He Yang in 1996.

    As for other Asian nations that still practice archery, Japan has taken kyudo to a unique Zen practice. South Korea has an exemplary archery tradition - in fact, they've dominated Olympic archery for years.
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    Im thinking hyper trad, Like in Bhutan etc....ill look latter.
    LOL.. really, what else did you hear?.. did you hear that he was voted Man of the Year by Kung-Fu Magizine?

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    YLC, sweet bows !!!

    Did you make them or buy them?

    Thanks for the info. I shot a bunch as a kid/teen and taught basic archery to Scouts.

    Been looking to get back into.
    "George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."

    "If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"

    "Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"

    It's simpler than you think.

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    Yeah, here you go. Archety, national pass time of Bhutan

    It was bhutan I was thinking of.

    Nice pics here
    Last edited by Liokault; 07-07-2005 at 10:57 AM.
    LOL.. really, what else did you hear?.. did you hear that he was voted Man of the Year by Kung-Fu Magizine?

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    Our newest exclusive web article

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    Our newest exclusive web article

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    two bows

    http://www.3riversarchery.com/Produc...01&p=0&i=2210X

    http://www.3riversarchery.com/Produc...34&p=0&i=6342X

    I think I might actually score the cheaper one for my birthday this year.

    "commercially" produced and not traditional materials but I've been wanting to buy a traditional bow for a while now...
    "George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."

    "If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"

    "Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"

    It's simpler than you think.

    I could be completely wrong"

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    Is there any difference between the chinese archery and western style archery? How many different ways are there to fire a bow?

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    I found this

    http://www.atarn.org

    some cool stuff in there.


    http://www.atarn.org/festival/festiv...ival_album.htm


    the links to 'letters' on this page are to letters AND pictures

    http://www.atarn.org/letters/ltr_oct03.htm
    "George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."

    "If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"

    "Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"

    It's simpler than you think.

    I could be completely wrong"

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    Cool pictures.
    That is one thing that Asian Archery traditions do that Western don't and that shooting from horseback! That's just too cool for words.
    A lot of neat looking bows, they seemed to use a variety of anchor points and methods to hold the bow string. The tiny Korean bows looks like they're going to snap in half.
    I notice a couple people using some sort of archery glove or tab, but no one seemed to have any sort of arm guard (bow string can sting).
    Although I'ld still love to see someone use a bow like I saw in Jet Li's movie "Hero". Lay down, put the feet on the bow and draw back with both hands.

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    I did notice a couple people demonstrating had their guide feather facing the wrong way. That's good way to strip that feather right off.

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    when I was really young, Ive read stories about great archers in ancient China. just some stories came to my head, Lu Bu, 3 kingdom, his famous accuracy documented in official history of "San Guo Zi" where he claimed he could shoot a flag pole down 250 steps away while he is sitting down. And he did it.
    2. The famous folks tale (I forgot the name of the story but this person is a actual person, might be one of person listed above) long story short, a archer and an old man, old man claims he could pour oil into a jar with a coin (chinese anint coin with hole in the middle) on top of the mouth of the jar. The oil will not wet the coin meaning a stright line. old man did it, the archer ask the secret, the old man says, "at first I see the jar the coin and everything else, after a while, I see only the jar and the coin, I dont see surroundings, then more practice, then I only see the coin, then one day, I see nothing but pour the oil, no jar, no coin no nothing, only me and the oil, emptyness. The archer took the lesson and put it into his archery practice, and later he became a famouse archery master.
    HR

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