poisonous chinese medicine

[Vasquez]

V,

Actually I do know what it needs as I have been training in Iron Palm and Iron Vest for for over 15 years. I also have 1.5 years of training at New England School of Acupuncture under my belt. I use internal as well as external medicines and make them myself. I have never bought anything other than raw herbs which I have prepared myself knowing exactly what is in them. You dont make them, then you don't know what is in them.

Some of the herbs used in Iron Palm medicine are toxic to ingest, but are useful used topically to draw Qi as well as open the meridians in the body to allow Qi to flow unimpeded.. There are many poisions used externally. Ingesting poisons is totally different and anyone telling me that I have to ingest aconite or other poisons is nuts in my mind. Plenty of other herbs to use that can create the same effects without endangering your life. I have been shown how to prepare many of the poisonous herbs and make them useful as well as non toxic. usually one has to soak them in some form of acid(usually urine) or salt water solutions and then bake them over and over to shed the toxic chemicals yet leaving the ingrediant sought.

I opt for using more of the non poisonous herbs as well as using internal herbs to augment my external liniment.

hence many sifu who are trained in Iron Palm/Hand and Iron Vest are wary of teaching anyone these skills. what you see in the magizines is not the whole program.

Hope this helps.

In Boston,

Dale Dugas

you need more than 15 yrs to train iron vest. My sifu also prepares the herbs himself, the recepies are a secret.

[IronFist]

you need more than 15 yrs to train iron vest.

So it's no good until you're older.

And then it's only good if you're in certian positions and you're given time to warm up with your qigong exercises before the other guy hits you.

[Vasquez]

So it's no good until you're older.

And then it's only good if you're in certian positions and you're given time to warm up with your qigong exercises before the other guy hits you.

You don't usually become a master until you've trained for 30 to 40 yrs anyway. Chi kung techniques take time to set up, but you get much more power when you're ready.

[Dale Dugas]

V,

I have been training for over 27 years so Im close to the 30 mark that you mentioned. Though I dont agree that you have to train in Iron Vest for over 15 years for it to become effective(that would be almost useless than from a practicial standpoint). Usually by that time you are able to be hit anywhere in your body and dissapate the strike so as to cause no harm. Also I find that Iron Vest training vamps up my Iron Palm training as well. I assume from building the qi and storing it in the major fascia of the body helps.

I have found that way too many people are into this whole secret herb thing. Chinese medicine is cheap as well as common. Only a few rare herbs are expensive, most are not. Most martial arts herbs have poisons in them that have to be prepared in a certain way with procedures or your going to get sick or poison yourself. Hence my original posting. The only secrets are to keep it out of fools' hands so they do themselves or others harm.

Most old school teachers will teach Dit Da healing skills along with fighting. Sadly many teachers today have none of this knowledge. That makes them only skilled thugs in my book. I was told you need to learn both sides of the coin, martial as well as healing to be considered a decent martial artist.

I count myself lucky to have acquired such knowledge. Learn all that you can from your Sifu that he has to offer, and then teach it when you understand it. Too much is kept in the dark when it can help so many.

Most of the time these days teachers use that secret herb thing to keep their students on a tight leash to buy from them and only them. Sad, but true in some cases.

Train well, V

Cheers,

Dale Dugas

[BAI HE]

A solid primer on Chinese "Hit/Fall" sports medicine, with theory and recipes can be found in Tom Bisio's book - "A tooth from the Tiger's mouth".

Good posts BTW Dale, are you doing the Tui Na stuff at the
school?

Best,
Pete

[Vasquez]

V,

I have been training for over 27 years so Im close to the 30 mark that you mentioned. Though I dont agree that you have to train in Iron Vest for over 15 years for it to become effective(that would be almost useless than from a practicial standpoint). Usually by that time you are able to be hit anywhere in your body and dissapate the strike so as to cause no harm. Also I find that Iron Vest training vamps up my Iron Palm training as well. I assume from building the qi and storing it in the major fascia of the body helps.

I have found that way too many people are into this whole secret herb thing. Chinese medicine is cheap as well as common. Only a few rare herbs are expensive, most are not. Most martial arts herbs have poisons in them that have to be prepared in a certain way with procedures or your going to get sick or poison yourself. Hence my original posting. The only secrets are to keep it out of fools' hands so they do themselves or others harm.

Most old school teachers will teach Dit Da healing skills along with fighting. Sadly many teachers today have none of this knowledge. That makes them only skilled thugs in my book. I was told you need to learn both sides of the coin, martial as well as healing to be considered a decent martial artist.

I count myself lucky to have acquired such knowledge. Learn all that you can from your Sifu that he has to offer, and then teach it when you understand it. Too much is kept in the dark when it can help so many.

Most of the time these days teachers use that secret herb thing to keep their students on a tight leash to buy from them and only them. Sad, but true in some cases.

Train well, V

Cheers,

Dale Dugas

But Iron vest is such a rare skill, i don't think the herbs are that common either.

[Dale Dugas]

V,

Iron Vest and Iron Palm have become uncommon and rare in the world of firearms and other weapons. They are hard to do, boring, and eat so much of your free time that they almost seem not worth it for many people.

The herbs one uses are not that rare. Though the processes you need to create such an internal pill can be. Certain herbs must be cooked in wine, then sun dried. Others need to fried in vinegar then wine, then dried. Others need to be cooked in ginger juice and or baby urine( I kid you not). Then you grind them up add them to boiling honey and then make pills that you take for the first 3 months when you are starting the program. The version I learned has no hitting only a lengthy qi gong set, that terminates in sitting meditation to run the qi and then a special belt is used to help aid the organs to learn to seat themselves under the ribcage.

I agree with others that certain people should never learn these skills to cause harm to others. But the strength benefits outweigh the destructive damage you can learn.

Hope your training and your shifu and kwoon are well.

Peace,

Dale

[Vasquez]

V,

Iron Vest and Iron Palm have become uncommon and rare in the world of firearms and other weapons. They are hard to do, boring, and eat so much of your free time that they almost seem not worth it for many people.

The herbs one uses are not that rare. Though the processes you need to create such an internal pill can be. Certain herbs must be cooked in wine, then sun dried. Others need to fried in vinegar then wine, then dried. Others need to be cooked in ginger juice and or baby urine( I kid you not). Then you grind them up add them to boiling honey and then make pills that you take for the first 3 months when you are starting the program. The version I learned has no hitting only a lengthy qi gong set, that terminates in sitting meditation to run the qi and then a special belt is used to help aid the organs to learn to seat themselves under the ribcage.

I agree with others that certain people should never learn these skills to cause harm to others. But the strength benefits outweigh the destructive damage you can learn.

Hope your training and your shifu and kwoon are well.

Peace,

Dale

yes, it takes the highest level of iron vest to stop a bullet and ppl don't have this skill anymore. but it takes weeks to learn how to shoot properly. lots of iron vest masters were killed in the boxer rebellion.