Originally posted by Strangler
So are you saying kung fu people should train like boxers but suing traditional techniques instead of the four punches? Or are you saying all kung fu people should just do sanda or boxing and forget their techniques and principles behind their styles?
you can hit the bag, pads, etc. without violating the principles of your style. So, yes, you can keep your pricniples and techniques (and there are more than four punches). you should be able to see your principles in application when you do san da.
By saying strengh is important and should be developed instead of internal power SevenStar your not disagreeing with me but with virtually the entire tai chi and possibly neija community as a whole.
nah. mutant warrior explained it very well in his post.
Why do you think push hands is taught in such a way as to not use force?
push hands is not fighting, is it? I can grapple without force, i can kick without force. When doing so, I am training other things pertinent to fighting, but not fighting itself.
WHy do you think the forms are done so slowly in tai chi?
Do you think that's the only way they train?
How can you say things like pushups, situps, running, and other excerises can't be done at home?
I didn't say that they can't be done at home. I'm saying that they are part of conditioning. fighters condition. If I'm training a fighter, I'm not gonna trust him to do it on his own - I'm gonna make sure he does it. We condition during training. on separate days, we will run - the coach will run with him or at least be present while it's going on. If my job is to make you a fighter, I'm going to oversee the whole process. When you train bjj, judo, thai boxing, etc. you are training in MAs that have a very competitive nature. competitions happen often, so you always need to be in decent shape. The whole class will not be push ups, situps, etc. however they will be present. The rest of the class will be various drills - pad work, technique drills, shadow boxing, etc. these drills not only build stamina and limb conditioning but also drill technique into you. there will also be sparring. It's really not all that hand to fathom.
Even on emptyflower those guys said that most of that stuff should be done at home and Felipe Bido said there is a student in hsi training group that ghe feels is lacking and should be kicked off because he never trains at home.
tell my bud felipe I said to come to this thread and I be he will agree with me. I agree that you should train outside of class. but, realistically, many people will not. that's why you train them in class as well.
and he also said his teacher meets with them only like twice a week and most of their training is done at home and they generally don't work on conditioning excersises when with their teacher. Shooter (tai chi guy who compete sin mma) says most of his training is done at home and by himself.
see above.
Even EvolutionFist on this forum not long ago said he lost a fight due to lack of conditioning and that was because his teacher didn't stress conditioning but technique in class and left the conditioning to the students at home since with old age there is no way you can ebat someone younger and mroe fit with conditioning.
that is a perfect example of my point. E fist isn't THAT old. his teacher doesn't stress conditioning though. This means that for his next fight one of two things will need to happen:
1. he will have to train that much harder on his own
2. his teacher will have to spend more time conditioning him.
E has been training for a while. He knows more than enough techniques to use in a fight.
Even Djimbe the guy who got worked on the ground by the straightblast guys because lack of conditioning says conditioning isn't the big deal because once you get the techniques and principles down and specific power generation unique to your style than the conditioning can easily be done within a month on your own free time. I can give more examples from the chinese martial art community, this isn't something I just came up with.
you just posted about two guys who lost due to lack of conditioning. Why? because the conditioning wasn't up to par. That shows it's importance.
the power internal styles use is fajing, which isn't developed by striking objects. It is unique to only the internal styles and sopposevly with it you can tear internal organs.
supposedly... And with how much training? cann ALL internal exponents do it?
Ask Black taoist or Maoshan what he thinks about fajing (I already asked him on jarek's forum).
BT and maoshan both post here on occasion.
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