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    Still sounds like the black helicopter crowd.

    I'm still not convinced. Certain things don't seem plausible and other things are too clean. Oddly enough almost all of the original 250 cleaners are dead or missing, Defferre is dead, so that leaves one person that can verify things. Three guys kill Defferre but let Bannon escape to appear at the all-important meeting, but with cracked ribs and a dislocated right knee. How did he escape? Did he kill them? How did he get away from them with a dislocated knee?

    The white man slides behind a North Korean, steel edge of a black Ka-Bar fighting knife glittering as it plunges into the terrorist's neck, then rips out, severing the vocal chords and jugular.
    If I'm visualizing it correctly that's a rather odd technique for a sentry removal. If I'm behind the terrorist where do I plunge the knife? How close am I? I'm assuming from the description that the blade is facing away from me? Doesn't the knife angle back through the neck toward me? Aren't there quicker ways to accomplish this? What am I missing here?

    What about the hillside fight with a rice farmer? What up with that?

    Jason I'm doubtful about this story, could you post some of the interviews, photos, and support documentation that confirm the facts of this article?
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    The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.

    Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.

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    Yeah. What Rogue said.

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    I'm still not convince. To much from what I know doesn't seem plausible. Bullshido is launching its own investigation to verify the validity of the claims. Mr Putman I would also like to see the interviews and other info. Thank You.
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    To much from what I know doesn't seem plausible.

    Yeah, and you know everything.

    Bullshido is launching its own investigation to verify the validity of the claims.

    Mr Putman I would also like to see the interviews and other info.

    Yeah, and while you're at it, who WAS in the grassy knoll.
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    Says the man who actually BELIEVES Ashida Kim.
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    And why does Bannon mostly dispatch his victims with obsure methods or edge weaponry?
    It's not that he's using a blade or empty hand that bothers me, but the method described. That knife technique is just more effort than needed not to mention the blood and noise. Try using the described technique with a practice blade and notice the angle of the hand and arm in relation to the neck. I can see one way this could work but why use it? And I agree with Asia, why not use surpressed handguns? The badguys have AK-47's and these guys are running an operation against them empty handed? It just doesn't add up.
    I quit after getting my first black belt because the school I was a part of was in the process of lowering their standards A painfully honest KC Elbows

    The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.

    Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.

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    I always thought that the best way to disable guards with a knife was to stab in the cartoid artery and then stab in the lungs, so they couldn't scream or yell. I never heard of cutting/severing vocal cords.
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    OK, so it's not settled...

    ...I'm working on getting Dr. Bannon to post. More to come...
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    And why does Bannon mostly dispatch his victims with obsure methods or edge weaponry?
    sound, and the same reason why suppressed weapons probably weren't used, not too mention the risk of mechanical failure - the second biggest reason why most spec ops types carry knives. Even a suppressed weapon makes a distinct noise that could be heard on a quiet night from several paces away.

    Keep this in mind as well Rogue - it sounds like that knife "technique" you described is more literary then accurately reported. Also keep in mind that with the vocal chords at the front of the throat, it's not hard to get to them.
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    Even a suppressed weapon makes a distinct noise that could be heard on a quiet night from several paces away.
    And from what I understand so may a cut throat. From what I know, which is little, it's an odd choice to remove a sentry. Bannon could be the real deal, it's just the story as told by Putnam doesn't feel right.
    I quit after getting my first black belt because the school I was a part of was in the process of lowering their standards A painfully honest KC Elbows

    The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.

    Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.

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    I always thought that the best way to disable guards with a knife was to stab in the cartoid artery and then stab in the lungs, so they couldn't scream or yell. I never heard of cutting/severing vocal cords.

    The carotid artery is a good choice as far as a blood letting point...however I was always taught a stab to one of the kidneys was ideal BEFORE attacking a blood letting point, because it supposedly sends the body in shock, therefore rendering the victim an easier target....never done it, just was taught that way based on experience of WW2.
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    The Wonderland Story told in the book is extremely suspect now.
    I talked with two of my family members who are on the Broward County Sheriffs Office (one is now retired.) The Wonderland case was a big story so if it happened like it was told in the book then at least the major Law Enforcements Offices in the State should know something about. Well they know abou the case but didn't hear of anything the way it was told. All that was told that material was seized, No deaths reported.


    the second biggest reason why most spec ops types carry knives. Even a suppressed weapon makes a distinct noise that could be heard on a quiet night from several paces away.
    I dealt with SF, SFOD-D and even other nation elite soldiers on various deployments and they will don't carry knives to dispatch sentries. They carry more than on firearm and work in a team. So cap them. Why? Because sneeking up on some is very risky it not like movies were black rambos cutting the throats of unsuspecting men. If animals are involved that can be a different story. I was part of a laison team on a camp in Macedonia and they had dogs all around the camp, the area were the Serbs were supposed to be was mined. I asked if any of the dogs ever inadvertently set off a mine? One of the soldiers said something along the lines of 'No the dogs are good. They will tell us if someone is coming and if they kill on the others will smell the death and let us know.'

    Anyways back on topic. A suppressed weapon still makes noise, that is true. But trying to gut a man is not going to be a silent endeavor as well. And from what it seems like it is just Bannon charging in with knife in hand. Look at the Wonder Land story. He was with a group of other cops and they were expecting trouble. Not one of the seasoned cops stop and said, 'Hey why is this guy going in with just a pick sticker?'

    Bannon also claimed he was given the rank of MAJOR in the Belgian Gendarmerie. So far all reports back inquiring about Bannon or if an American being given rank has drawn a zero.

    So I will continue and hop Mr Putman can aid in this. If Bannon is the real deal then I will give him his props but so far the story raises too many questions.
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    I haven't read the entire story yet, but have read what's been posted here, but form what I have been told, the way SF would use a knife in a silent kill is not a slash across the throat, as that way is too noisey and messy. When the throat is slashed the victim makes gurggling noises and the body starts to shake violently, too noise!! What they do is cover the mouth and stab at the base of the skull in the back of the neck, up into their brain, instant kill! Body goes limp, no noises, no massive blood spill.

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    All of this sounds a bit too much like La Femme Nikita.

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    I found this:

    ...Lynda Hatch, publicity director of New Horizon Press, Bannon's publisher, says that given the clandestine nature of Bannon's assignments, the "trail of evidence is sometimes murky and indistinct," and that "the organization (Interpol) will claim no knowledge of him."

    Hatch is right. We contacted Michael Rose, chief press officer for Interpol in Lyon, France. (To date, it appears that CL is the only media outlet to have contacted Interpol to get their reaction to Bannon's book.) When asked to confirm or deny if Bannon had ever worked for Interpol, Rose responded with this official statement:

    "Interpol's General Secretariat in Lyon has no record of David Race Bannon having been employed and no knowledge of individuals mentioned in Mr. Bannon's book. Interpol exists to facilitate the exchange of information between the world's law enforcement agencies and to provide analysis of criminal data and other services. Accordingly, if the claims in Mr. Bannon's book are in fact as have been reported to Interpol, they can only be seen as deceptive and irresponsible fantasy."

    Bannon says he expected nothing less from Interpol.

    "The official Interpol stance has always been that they're really nothing more than a clearing house of data," Bannon says. "It's so simplistic it's almost funny --that they're nothing more than a giant computer. Then why do they need this vast network across 170-plus countries with officers all over the world?" Bannon says the only way to really support his story is through the testimony of others.

    CL tried that route as well. In his book, Bannon writes often about Lee Hyung-Jin, who Bannon says is a longtime friend and Korean NIS agent he worked with on many cases. There is a testimonial signed by a Hyung-Jin in Bannon's book, which, in broken English, essentially supports Bannon's story. At our prompting, Bannon said he contacted Hyung-Jin, who he says is now a college professor in South Korea, and asked him to contact us. A few days later, I received an email from a Hyung-Jin that, again, in broken English, backed up Bannon's story, saying his book was "sad but true," and even though he lived a "careful life with a college job," he would talk to CL for the story. In his email, Hyung-Jin indicated Bannon had forwarded him my number, and he would call. I responded and asked what day and time would best fit his schedule. I never heard from him again.

    There's also a testimonial in Bannon's book from Jacques Defferre, the man Bannon claims recruited him into Interpol. Bannon said he contacted Defferre and asked him if he could contact CL for this story. Moreover, Fortson of the Observer received an email from Defferre, which she quoted in her story, saying he was angry with Bannon for telling everything to an "unforgiving world," but that Bannon "must write the truth as he must breathe, it is his nature." Fortson, who never spoke to Defferre in person, also forwarded my contact information to Defferre via email. I never heard from him. In fact, CL still doesn't really have any proof that Defferre or Hyung-Jin actually exists.

    Bannon has also written several stories for Kungfu Qigong magazine, including one in the November/December 2001 issue about his involvement in the Wonderland Club arrests. In that story, Bannon, using a knife and baton, busted into a hotel room and rescued an 8-year-old girl who had been kidnapped by members of the child pornography network. After the story was published, several people wrote letters to the magazine, some saying the story was absolute hogwash, and others --including, yes, Hyung-Jin and Defferre -- to commend Bannon on a job well done. We tried to contact Martha Burr, who was executive editor of Kungfu Qignong at the time, to ask if she believed Bannon's story. Associate Editor Gene Ching responded, and informed us that Burr no longer worked for the magazine. When we asked Ching if he believed Bannon, he replied, "To be honest, I don't really know. I've never really interacted with Bannon personally so I haven't formed an opinion of him either way. When that article was published we had a few skeptics, but we also had many supporters contact us. I will be very interested in your findings."

    Bottom line, Bannon was unable to produce a single document or piece of evidence to prove his claims. But then again, no one has yet to produce a piece of evidence that disproves his story. There is, in fact, no "smoking gun" from either side.

    "I wish there were," Bannon says. "It's certainly legitimate for people to ask if this is all real or not. But in the end, people are just going to have to make up their own mind."
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    anyway, i'm still a bit skeptical, what can I say.

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