Jason Putman

[Samuel Browning]

We do have evidence but its based on eyewitness testimony, and not a screen capture. So its inferior in quality, but I would be willing to say under oath that the picture of the woman on the geocities website was the same as the picture on Chiu Hse Yu's official Singapore Management University website, and I don't make such a statement lightly. I believe you witnessed the same.

[CFT]

You're quite right Samuel.

I'm sure it's no coincidence that these webpages were changed as these points were made on this forum and the Bullshido forum.

I'm now not even sure that Jason Putman is even a real person, let alone a journalist. Searching for his name in Google returned 9 pages; the relevant results were all to do with his article in the KFM e-zine, and references by other websites.

There are no other news articles by Jason Putman. No hits for publishers of his new book that he promote on his website. How soon before that website disappears too?

[Samuel Browning]

Then will someone from this board "capture it" I am definitely a computer idiot.

[marnen]

First of all, Samuel, congratulations on your research; you're doing a wonderful job exposing David Bannon. I've been following this story with great interest as it unfolds on Bullshido. I just thought I'd comment on a few minor issues.

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I notice that one of Bannon's suspicious support letters came from someone, presumably Korean, named Kim Seungho. This is interesting because Kim Sung Ho was the name of a Korean character in the film St. Elmo's Fire (the guy who played him didn't look or act Korean, but the dialogue makes it clear that he is Korean).

Coupled with the observation others have made that Race Bannon is the name of a cartoon character...has this guy been picking names for his sock-puppets from film and comix?

***

Note: this next point is long and off-topic. You might want to skip to the next ***.

Still with me? OK...

Originally posted by Kung Lek
samuel-

is bannon the same guy who runs the k.a.p website?

That was my first thought when I heard about David Race Bannon, but I kind of doubt it (the KAP guy is Race Bannon). Given the cartoon connection mentioned above, I think it more likely that they both hit on similar pen names.

Also, David has a Charlotte, NC, mailing address, whereas Race seems to be in the San Francisco, CA, area.

FWIW, Race Bannon is a writer on BDSM and sexuality with a magazine column and at least one well-known how-to book to his credit.

I was a little curious about this. k.a.p stands for "kink aware professionals" and apparently offers services to people with kinks in how to further flech out their kink i.e need a dentist to give you vampire teeth, you can find one through them,

From what I know of KAP, this is something of a mischaracterization. KAP does not appear to offer services, but simply provides listings of professionals (medical, legal, technical) who choose to represent themselves as "kink-friendly".

The example you give suggests to me that you haven't really looked at the listings. While KAP claims to accept dental listings, it in fact contains none that I can find. Even if it did, I doubt very much that "vampire teeth" would be on their list of services. (If there is a listing advertising this that I missed, give me a reference and I'll look.) Certainly the MDs listed there appear to offer reputable medical services, but with an understanding of BDSM-related needs that some doctors might not have.

and as well, and even more contradictory to the stories of bannon is that k.a.p also offers setup and management of pornographic websites.

How is this contradictory to David Bannon's stories? Even if the two were the same person, it is quite possible to deplore child pornography while seeing nothing wrong with pornography involving consenting adults.

In fact, those are exactly the views I myself hold. I have considered listing my Web-design business on KAP, and I'd happily design porn sites if I were asked to. But if any kids were involved, I wouldn't touch the project.

[...]
anyway, just wondering if you can confirm that this is the same bannon here or is it just a coincidence?

cheers

One can't be sure, but it's probably a coincidence.

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Originally posted by Samuel Browning
Then will someone from this board "capture it" I am definitely a computer idiot.

Samuel, as I said before, I'm really impressed with all the work you're doing, but I'm getting a little tired of your claims that you're a "computer idiot" (nothing personal -- just a pet peeve of mine). Obviously you can e-mail and post, so I gather that you have a good foundation in how to use the darn thing. As for the rest...well, that's what reading documentation and books is for, isn't it? Like anything, it's really not that hard to learn more if you go about it logically.

As far as screen capturing goes, both Windows and Mac OS have that feature built into the operating system (you push a key and it saves the screen image to a file). For more info, look in the help files for whichever operating system you're using. If that fails, e-mail me privately and I'll provide what help I can.

Keep up the good work!
Best,

[marnen]

I neglected to mention in my last post that the Wayback Machine may be of use in recovering the downed websites.

[David Jamieson]

alright marmen, perhaps i should have said"provides listings of professionals who provide services to people who are looking for those services in context to their personal kink.


in regards to pornography sites, I think that perhaps you are being a little naive.

A great deal is not know of how or where pornography site acquire the material they publish on the web. For all you know, those people may look it, but in fact not be of age. As well, tehy may also not be consenting.

It is not unheard of for instance that prostitutes can fall in debt for drugs for instance and in effect be forced to perform sexual acts to pay those debts. The same could be of people who are administered the so called "date rape" drugs suchs as rohypnol and then used to make pronography.

While I'm sure there are some pornographers out there who do legitmately deal their wears with all the guidelines of teh laws adhered to. It is just as likely that more nefarious deeds are occuring as well.

anyway, I sited the dentists as an example and not as a fact. I did say "i.e". Perhaps I should have said "hypothetically"?

Anyway, coincidence? Maybe, But i am just wondering and I do find it contradictory to be offering access to pornography sites while on the other hand racing against the so called evil that they are in some cases part and parcel of.

regards

[marnen]

Originally posted by Kung Lek
alright marmen,

I wonder about someone who can't bother to look at the spelling of the name of the person he's replying to.

perhaps i should have said"provides listings of professionals who provide services to people who are looking for those services in context to their personal kink.

Yeah, that sounds like a more accurate characterization as far as I've been able to tell.

in regards to pornography sites, I think that perhaps you are being a little naive.

A great deal is not know of how or where pornography site acquire the material they publish on the web. For all you know, those people may look it, but in fact not be of age. As well, tehy may also not be consenting.

That's true, of course. In fact, if someone *did* hire me to design a porn site, I think I would have them sign some sort of statement that all images were legally obtained. I'd do this both for legal and moral reasons.

And if I found out that the statement was false, you bet I'd drop the site and notify the appropriate authorities.

In fact, I believe there are laws in the US that require just such a statement.

It is not unheard of for instance that prostitutes can fall in debt for drugs for instance and in effect be forced to perform sexual acts to pay those debts.

I'm not sure that's necessarily nonconsensual. It would depend a great deal on the circumstances.

Whether it is or not, however, doesn't affect the present argument.

The same could be of people who are administered the so called "date rape" drugs suchs as rohypnol and then used to make pronography.

From the little I know of Rohypnol and similar, this is unlikely. Someone drugged with one of these drugs would probably not be in any condition to model for a photo session.

While I'm sure there are some pornographers out there who do legitmately deal their wears with all the guidelines of teh laws adhered to. It is just as likely that more nefarious deeds are occuring as well.

Sure it is. But that's true in any industry. I don't think pornography has a special claim on this -- the issue seems to be something of a red herring.

anyway, I sited the dentists as an example and not as a fact. I did say "i.e". Perhaps I should have said "hypothetically"?

Yes, you should have, or perhaps you should have omitted it altogether. Your example was a poor one, as it was informed by inadequate understanding of the material. Thus, it was no example at all, merely a gross distortion of the sort that we'd scream about if Putman or Bannon did it.

BTW, "i.e." means "that is". "For example" is "e.g.".

Anyway, coincidence? Maybe, But i am just wondering and I do find it contradictory to be offering access to pornography sites while on the other hand racing against the so called evil that they are in some cases part and parcel of.

And thereby falls your argument -- that "in some cases". Consider: Enron was bad, but does that mean all energy companies are bad? Of course not. Does that mean that (e.g.) fighting child porn while working for Enron is contradictory? Again of course not.

The situation is similar here. Legit porn isn't much more closely related to child porn than energy trading is. Too many people have a reflexive reaction to the mere mention of *any* pornography, a reaction which I believe is unjustified.

Best,

[SifuAbel]

"Are we there yet?"

[David Jamieson]

Marnen-

no spell checker = oh well.

anyway, one doesn't necessarily "model" for pornography and in fact there are cases where people are out and out raped.

Not to mention snuff films etc etc.

I am not lumping all porn together at all, but what I am saying is that you simply don't know and all the contractual obligations in the world aren't gonna make a lick of difference if your site is carrying links to sites that fall outside of the jurisdiction of the land you live in.

anyway, I don't see how my example was bad. I think it's legit to make the statement that I thought that the two ends were contradictory to each other especially when bannon promotes himself as someone who "kills" people who prey upon others, which in the case of pornography is sadly quite often the case.

Anyway. My question was is this the same Bannon and so far that hasn't been definitively answered.

Abel- you be quiet back there or so help me! Play your gameboy or something, or a game of I spy with your sister and stop pulling her hair!

[SifuAbel]

What do drugs, pornography, international intrigue and identity theft, have do with us here and Martial arts?

Can someone please tell me why I should care?

Why is this going on and on and on. I long for the simple life of flame wars and "oh yeah?!?!?!s" and petty squabbles, whose biceps are bigger, taste great-less filling, which asian chicks you like better, whats the pupose of X technique .

Come on people.

[David Jamieson]

Blame KFM, they published the dude we are going on about.

[SifuAbel]

Bad , Bad, KFM, bad.... (rubbing nose in newspaper)

No potty on the persian. Bad.

[Samuel Browning]

Originally posted by SifuAbel
What do drugs, pornography, international intrigue and identity theft, have do with us here and Martial arts?

Can someone please tell me why I should care?

Why is this going on and on and on. I long for the simple life of flame wars and "oh yeah?!?!?!s" and petty squabbles, whose biceps are bigger, taste great-less filling, which asian chicks you like better, whats the pupose of X technique .

Come on people.

Ah Sifu Abel, it goes on, and on, because one cannot rush richness.

Seriously, the guy is selling his book to martial artists through this forum. (See Putman's article) so its relevant, and I do care about asian chicks, did I not bring this website to the attention of Iris Yu?

[Samuel Browning]

Here is my correspondance and replies to my letters from the Psychological Society of Ireland. I've been trying to track down Toni G. Brynes Ph.D and M.D. who claims that she was there when Bannon lead a Wonderland Club raid and later wrote a letter of support to Kungfu Qigong (Letter is on pages 34 and 85 of the March/April 2002 edition of this magazine.) I've established that she is not licensed to practice medicine in Ireland, now I wanted to see if she had voluntarily registered with the one organization in Ireland that compiles a list of Psychology Ph.D treaters. She is not listed, this does not mean that she does not exist because registration is voluntary, it does however make her existance LESS likely. I did rearrange the posts to provide them in chronological order. Enjoy
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-----Original Message-----
From: TappingReeve@aol.com [mailto:TappingReeve@aol.com]
Posted At: 07 July 2004 06:18
Posted To: Info
Conversation: Looking for a Toni Brynes
Subject: Looking for a Toni Brynes


Name: Samuel Browning Esq
Email: TappingReeve@aol.com
Phone: [SB edited it out]

Subject: Looking for a Toni Brynes

MESSAGE BEGINS

To who it may concern:

I am conducting a background check and am looking to confirm the existance of a Toni G. Brynes Ph.D. She is a psychologist who is, or was, employed as a "MHAl Development Officer" for an organization called North Dublin Mental Health in Ireland.

My questions are as follows.

1) Do you have any record of this individual belonging to your organization?

2) Have you ever heard of a North Dublin Mental Health? International Directory Assistance could not locate them in Dublin which is where I understand North Dublin is located.

3) I understand that Psychologists are not licensed in Ireland, and register voluntarily with your organization.

Please tell me if my understanding is correct, and what percentage of Psychologists (those with Ph.Ds in Psychcology who practice in Ireland register with your organization.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter.

Samuel Pearce Browning Esq.

MESSAGE ENDS

THEIR FIRST RESPONSE

Dear Samuel,

We do not have a member by the name of Toni G Byrnes on our database. It is not, however, compulsory to register with us.
Unfortunately, we have no way of collating data regarding psychologists who are non-members and therefore cannot give you a percentage.
I have attached the membership guidelines of our association which should answer any queries you have regarding this.

Regards
Caitríona

Caitríona Ní Mhurchú
Office Assistant
The Psychological Society of Ireland
CX House
2a Corn Exchange Place
Poolbeg Street
Dublin 2


-----Original Message-----
From: TappingReeve@aol.com [mailto:TappingReeve@aol.com]
Sent: 07 July 2004 19:02
To: Caitriona NiMhurchu
Subject: Re: Looking for a Toni Brynes


Hi Caitriona:

Thank you very much for your prompt reply. I am writing back because you said that there was no Toni G. Byrnes in your database when the last name of the person I was interested in, is spelled Brynes. Could you please check to make sure that there is no one in your records by this slightly different last name?

Once again thank you,

Samuel Browning Esq

THEIR SECOND REPLY

MESSAGE FROM PSI WEB SITE

Dear Samuel,

Apologies for that slip. There is no Brynes in our database either I'm afraid

Regards
Caitríona


Caitríona Ní Mhurchú
Office Assistant
The Psychological Society of Ireland
CX House
2a Corn Exchange Place
Poolbeg Street
Dublin 2

[BAI HE]

Two words "Frank Dux".