Jason Putman

[Asia]

Originally posted by YinYangDagger
yeah, a REAL argument, like which chicks are sexier, Chinese or Thai?

No argument. Chinese chicks are sexier but Thai chicks are fun to be with. (not just that way ya perv. )

[YinYangDagger]

Asia, finally we agree on something

[GeneChing]

...such is the problem with Democracy - everyone has their say and so few have anything really worth saying (that's my 4th of July weekend sarcastic remark )

[YinYangDagger]

don't be so d@mn cranky, Gene...center yourself, breathe...









j/k

[GeneChing]

in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out in out ....ahh, i do feel better. thanks!

[YinYangDagger]

good!

now go do Lien Bu Chuan 108 times while holding 25 pound stone locks....low stances as well

[Samuel Browning]

Just today I received a letter from Iris Chiu who says that she never wrote anything with a Jason Putman and the person referred to in Putman's Western Libertarian Alliance as "Chiu Hse Yu" is not her. Her response is at top, my initial letter is in the middle, and my response to her reply is at the bottom. Notice that when questioned about my credentials I could provide simple proof immediately. Such an approach would save David Bannon much potential trouble.

"Dear Mr Browning
With regard to your queries, I have never co-authored anything with Mr Putman. I am not associated with the persons who wrote the article in the mentioned newsletter. I believe that the person named as "Chiu Hse Yu" whom you are looking for, is not me.
In fact, I find it rather puzzling that you are not listed on any US attorney directories. I also think it would have been appropriate if you had used your organisational email address. I am not inclined to receive any correspondence from less than verifiable sources.
I trust that this reply meets your request.
Yours sincerely
Iris Chiu"

________________________________

From: TappingReeve@aol.com [mailto:TappingReeve@aol.com]
Sent: Mon 6/28/2004 11:23 PM
To: hyc8@leicester.ac.uk
Subject: Dear Professor Chiu, an inquiry from America.


"Dear Professor Chiu:

My name is Samuel Browning and I am an attorney who is writing from Norwich, Connecticut, USA. Recently while looking into some claims by an individual named David Bannon, Ph.D, I discovered an article in a publication distributed by the Western Libertarian Alliance which appeared to be co-authored by you and a Mr. Jason Putman. See:

http://www.westernlibertarian.org/p...20low%20res.pdf

While I believe it lists your name correctly, (Chiu Hse Yu) I am curious if this article is authentic because it refers to you as having a Ph.D when you actually earned a LLB, claims you were a lecturer in Law at the National University of Singapore, when you taught at the Singapore Management University, and asserts you are the author of a book called Punishment as Response to Harm (Singapore University Press, 1997) when you do not list this book as one of your publications on your present website.

To summarize, I am asking, 1) If you actually co-authored the article "Interpol's Secret Army with Mr. Putman, and if you did, 2) can you inform me which portions of this article you authored so I may ask you some more specific questions attempting to verify Mr. Bannon's story concerning the activities of Interpol.

Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.

Samuel P. Browning Esq
671 Scotland Rd
Norwich, Ct 06360 USA"

My response to her reply at the top.

"Dear Iris:

Thank you for your prompt reply. To answer your question about my professional licensing please go to http://www.jud2.state.ct.us/Civil_Inquiry/GetAtty.asp
This is part of the Connecticut Judicial branch's official website. If you type in my Juris Number of #417779 or my full name Samuel Pearce Browning my professional listing will come up. As for attorney directories, you are correct, I am not listed in Martindale Hubbell, but since I practice mostly criminal and family support law, I have found that my clients typically do not mind this omission. If you desire to see further evidence that I am an attorney, please let me know.

Sincerely yours,

Samuel Browning Esq"

* After I wrote Iris back I discovered that the form did not take middle names however my Juris number, or the last name of Browning will call my full name up. I wrote her to notify her of this mistake and to ask another question.

[Samuel Browning]

Back in the March/April 2002 issue of Kungfu Qigong a bunch of Bannon supporters wrote in to back up his claims. One* was named "Toni G. Brynes, Ph.D, M.D.," and she gave her title as "MHAl Development Officer, North Dublin Mental Health, Ireland." Since Bannon claims both in this article and in his book that Toni was present at the August 30, 2004 Wonderland club raid she is an important witness to this claim. She also is apparently using her real name in this letter, so her existance should be able to be verified. In Bannon's Book, "Race Against Evil", copyright 2003, Toni also has a letter of support for Bannon that he reprints in the book's epilogue on page 305-306. On the latter page she gives her location as "Dublin, Ireland".

On 7-2-04, a date that will live forever on my phone bill, I started to make phone calls in Ireland.
I first called the Medical Council, Lynn House, Portobello Court, Lower Rathmines Road, Dublin 6, Ireland. I talked to Cilla Hickey who I reached at 01 353 1 498 3100 . She told me that there was no M.D. licensed to practice medicine in Ireland under that name. So if she exists, Toni could only be professionally using her Ph.D. I am still working on finding the government agency that licenses Ph.Ds in Psychology.

From an earlier e-mail I had been told by Orla O'Sullivan of Mental Health Ireland that a Toni G. Brynes had never worked for her organization, Orla@mentalhealthireland.ie but she suggested that I contact the Director of Mental Health Services in the Northern Area Health Board which provided mental health services in Northern Dublin. When I talked to Ann, the Director's administrative assistant at 01 353 1 813 1800 she told me (after she asked a co-worker) that they had not heard of a Toni Byrnes. Ann was also unfamilar with an organization called North Dublin Mental Health. So I called ATT international directory assistance, and asked them to look for a business or agency in Dublin or Northern Dublin called North Dublin Mental Heath. They found nothing in Dublin, saying that there was no separate listing for North Dublin. Then they checked for professional listings under the name of Toni Byrnes in Dublin, Nothing. Then they checked for a residental phone number under this name, Nothing Again.

I still need to check to see if anyone named Toni Brynes is licienced as a psychologist in Ireland, but since North Dublin Mental Health apparently does not exist, I'm not holding my breath.

* Her letter is split between pages 34 and 85

[David Jamieson]

curiouser and curiouser...

through the looking glass we go and what do we see?

a white rabbit! and he seems to be late for an important date! Or so he says.

Off with their heads!

[SifuAbel]

minutia

[M.C. Busman]

Greetings Folks,

What we have here is a man who has _confessed_, in print and to at least one reporter, to committing murder on several occasions and in several countries. Whether an official from a law enforcement agency sanctioned these murders (illegally!) or not, I believe the proper jurisdictional authority for these crimes for the time being since the perp, David "Race" Bannon resides in the United States, would be the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The FBI should review these claims, and if found valid, Mr. Bannon should be turned over to the authorities governing the jurisdictions in which his crimes took place as specified by international treaty. Murder under the color of authority is still murder (even when the victim is a stinkin' child molester), and still a capitol offense in Japan, Florida, and several other of the locals in which Mr. Bannon admits having executed individuals he claims were involved in torture/child pornography incidents. It is probably a foregone conclusion that Mr. Jason Putman should be subpoena'd regarding this matter.

I'm no liberal (nor a conservative), but when people go about willy-nilly stabbing and slashing of their own accord, and claim some sort of questionable legal protection "under color of authority" for doing so, there is a problem. A dangerous man is on the loose. We should be thankful that he has made his confession on paper for all to read, and that justice may now be served. I'm certain that if innocent of wrongdoing (legitimate self defense, say), Mr. Bannon will be vindicated by a jury of his peers. For his actions in Florida, at least.

I would also advise any females who are currently in any sort of relationship with Mr. Bannon to GET OUT for heaven's sake. STAY AWAY from him, as women related to him platonically or otherwise seem to have a high instance of being murdered, and sometimes tortured beforehand, according to his own published writings.

Stay Safe,

M.C. Busman
mc_busman@Bigmailbox.net

[Samuel Browning]

Dear Mr Browning
I read your message with great concern. This sounds like a case of identity theft to me. There is probably no other Singaporean lecturer in law with the same name that I know . Could you let me know what "CFT" stands for? It is not a familiar abbrieviation to me.
Upon some further investigation, I found that the name "chiu hse yu" has been used again in Amazon.com, under reviews for David Bannon's book. I am not amused. I am certainly not associated with any of the links you provided me or the Amazon.com link.
Sincerely
Iris

________________________________

From: TappingReeve@aol.com [mailto:TappingReeve@aol.com]
Sent: Fri 7/2/2004 7:46 PM
To: hyc8@leicester.ac.uk
Subject: Was your identity stolen?


Dear Iris:

I'm writing back for two reasons, the first is that in my last e-mail I said that to search my name on the Connecticut Judicial website you should enter my full name into the website I provided, I just tried my own instructions, and have learned that you only need to enter my last name "Browning" to achieve this result.

Secondly, I decided after thinking it over, that I should share some unpleasant news. You should read the following thread because there is the unfortunate possibilty that your identity has been borrowed by Mr. Putman. See:

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/for...mp;pagenumber=1

"Much of my research was assisted by Professor Chiu Hse Yu of Singapore University, with whom I co-wrote "Interpol's Secret Army" for The Western Libertartian Alliance political journal. Bannon also has an article in the same issue, "The Hidden Slavery: Global Sex Trafficking," which - true to his character - mentions nothing about his own book. The issue in question can be downloaded in entirety (1.9 M) as a PDF file at
http://www.westernlibertarian.org/p...20low%20res.pdf <http://www.westernlibertarian.org/p...20low%20res.pdf>
or got to http://www.westernlibertarian.org/paper and choose "WLA Complete".
Professor Chiu's web site (and contact address) is: http://www.geocities.com/chiuhse_yu "

This last geocities website is no longer in its original form, (it was pretty much erased) but it was an imitation of your Singapore Management University website and featured the same photo that is on http://www.business.smu.edu.sg/law/...chiu_hseyu.html <http://www.business.smu.edu.sg/law/...chiu_hseyu.html>

One of the posters CFT has a series of posts that pointed out some of the similarities and differences between your biographical information and a woman with your same name. I've reviewed his evidence and his characterization of the facts is accurate. He points out that a book attributed to "Chiu Hse Yu Ph.D" in the Western Libertarian Alliance Article was called "Punishment as Response to Harm", Singapore University Press, 1997. which was actually the name of another author's article in the Singapore Journal of Legal Studies, Dec. 2002 (http://law.nus.edu.sg/sjls/sjls2002d.htm) in which you had an article.

I cannot tell you what the statistical chances that there would be two women named Chiu Hse Yu who were both lecturers in law working at two different universities in Singapore at roughly the same time, but my guess is that the odds would be pretty small. Please tell me however if you know of an identically named women working at the National University of Singapore as a lecturer in law at roughly the same time as you were working at Singapore Management University. Otherwise I think you may have been the victim of identity theft.

Sincerely

Samuel Browning

HERE IS THE TEXT OF THE LETTER THAT APPEARED ON AMAZON.COM IN CHIU HSE YU's NAME.


2 of 2 people found the following review helpful:

Tour de force, October 27, 2003
Reviewer: Chiu Hse Yu (see more about me) from Singapore
A work of deep humanity and insight, Race Against Evil is an extraordinary tour de force, though not for the faint-hearted. It is an important but deeply disturbing book that offers a terrifying, unflinching look at an organization of shame and glory: Interpol. Bannon's startlingly humble revelations are bold and chilling as they reveal a simple truth: men and women derive pleasure from officially sanctioned killing. The implications of Bannon's memoir are profound - we are forced to understand the intelligence officer as human rather than monster, victim and abuser. Intensely arresting and thought-provoking.

[Samuel Browning]

Originally posted by SifuAbel
minutia

All conclusions are based on a collection of smaller facts. If Toni G. Brynes, M.D. Ph.D does not exist, this would be a substantial falsehood in Bannon's account because she is the only named eyewitness he mentions re the "Wonderland Club" Raid. You keep complaining, I'll keep investigating.

[David Jamieson]

samuel-

is bannon the same guy who runs the k.a.p website?

I was a little curious about this. k.a.p stands for "kink aware professionals" and apparently offers services to people with kinks in how to further flech out their kink i.e need a dentist to give you vampire teeth, you can find one through them, and as well, and even more contradictory to the stories of bannon is that k.a.p also offers setup and management of pornographic websites.

This is like burning it at both ends in my opinion.

I mean, is the guy against these things, or for them?

anyway, just wondering if you can confirm that this is the same bannon here or is it just a coincidence?

cheers

[CFT]

So, the Geocities website for Chiu Hse Yu has the original content removed, and now Jason Putman's clippings page has removed traces of a "connection" to Chiu Hse Yu. Unless someone has saved a copy of the page, we have no evidence

However, the Western Libertarian Alliance article still exists on the WLA website. It would be interesting to send an email to the site owner(s) to see what their take on the matter is; although my guess is that they won't be too bothered.

But a short missive to Jason Putman to get his views on the matter would be highly interesting. I would say his position is untenable. He claims in his article that he has verified David Bannon's account, with the help of his co-author. Yet we have the co-author denying all knowledge of the article.

I think that David Bannon and Jason Putman have been trying to prove their credibility by providing a wealth of academic and professional links, but slowly these links are proving false. With the debunking of each link, we can safely conclude that much if not all of David Bannon's account is simply the stuff of dreams and fantasy.

BTW, has anyone met Jason Putman, or spoken to him?