OT: Uneducated idiots crying foul!

[Laughing Cow]

Hi All.

[RANT]

Now this is something that really makes me upset.

Swastika Robot

Those idiots can't tell the diff. between a Nazi Swastika and a "Ura-Manji".

Here are 3 links that explain the diff:

The Manji

Omote & Ura Manji

Symbols
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If they fight for or against something they should atleast be able to tell the difference between 2 different symbols and their history and background.

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[chen zhen]

they should at least know what they're talking about, before they start whining.

But you should say that to the nazi's, it's all their fault it can't be used without being associated with them. **** 'em!!

[Richie]

I agree that they are mistaken, but calling them "uneducated" is a little strong. Don't you think?

[Laughing Cow]

Originally posted by Richie
I agree that they are mistaken, but calling them "uneducated" is a little strong. Don't you think?

Not when the complainant is a resident of Hong Kong where buddhism and buddhist symbols are common.

Seeya.

[GreyMystik]

the "swastika" symbol was around LONG before hitler perverted it for his own use. it is sad that the symbol is persecuted even now to this day. this would be akin to some fundamentalist complaining that the cross represented the wholesale slaughter of many islamic and middle easterners during the "crusades" so it should be taken off the market. completely ignorant in my opinion.

[CrippledAvenger]

but to deny that there's strong associations tied to the swastika, (for better or for worse) because of the nazis is a little misguided as well, I think.

yes, I know they're traditional symbols in a lot of eastern religions, yes I know that Hitler stole them, but then again, they're also associated with the systematic slaughter of millions of human lives.

whenever you have two competing associations like that tied into a single symbol or object there's bound to be trouble.

[CrippledAvenger]

Originally posted by GreyMystik
the "swastika" symbol was around LONG before hitler perverted it for his own use. it is sad that the symbol is persecuted even now to this day. this would be akin to some fundamentalist complaining that the cross represented the wholesale slaughter of many islamic and middle easterners during the "crusades" so it should be taken off the market. completely ignorant in my opinion.

actually, I agree. nothing with a religious symbol should be used by a purely secular company. We're better off keeping religious symbols with religious things, especially because of many varied associations that they carry.

I think you'd see the same amount of uproar depending on the religious symbol on the product and the area that it's been shipped to. Would you put a Star of David on a coke can and send it to Iran? How about a cross on products destined for Pakistan?

[norther practitioner]

Would you put a Star of David on a coke can and send it to Iran? How about a cross on products destined for Pakistan?

Yeah, but they didn't put a swastika on a coke can and send it to Israel.

Obviously its a symbol with a whole lot of meaning to a whole lot of people. It was once a sign of Christ...until the christians found out that Buddhists were using it in a sign for buddha.

[CrippledAvenger]

Originally posted by norther practitioner


Yeah, but they didn't put a swastika on a coke can and send it to Israel.

Obviously its a symbol with a whole lot of meaning to a whole lot of people. It was once a sign of Christ...until the christians found out that Buddhists were using it in a sign for buddha.

Right, and people from the Indian subcontinent used it as a symbol for the sun before the buddhists. My point is that such symbols shouldn't be used frivolously because of the enormous amount of weight such connotations hold. Furthermore, in the age of information, it doesn't even matter to some degree where you're sending them as the global community is so much more connected than ever before.

Just some fuel for the fire...

[cho]

fact is, you can't say it's the same symbol. the Nazi's swastika arms protrude to the right, Wan protrudes to the left.

people, being ignorant, uneducated, and niggard

[Chang Style Novice]

Yeah, the symbol on that robot is definitely a nazi style swatzika, with the arms turning clockwise and balanced on a corner.

Not the same at all as when the symbol sits on a side and the arms turn counterclockwise.

It was probably an honest mistake, but still, since the toys are also being sold in London (according to a different article), it's nothing but trouble waiting to happen. Or it was, until trouble happened.

[Vapour]

Robowaru is a villan robot so nothing wrong with him having swastika.

[norther practitioner]

Agree with chang style novice...

except, the symbol does mean something else going clockwise on its side....


There are three variations that I know of....
the nazi (on corners)
the counter clock (on side)
and the clockwise (on side)

and I'm sure there are more....

[Shaolin-Do]

Does he come with a moustache too?

hehehe
Yes, people are stupid. the arms go different ways on the symbols, making them NOT THE SAME SYMBOL.
When you turn the curve of a smiley face the opposite way, does it still mean happy? No. It means f*cking sad. If you turn the arms on the swastika the opposite way, same f*cking concept. They are different signs, symbols what have you, and people *****ing about it is just some whiny f*ck who doesnt even know what the nazi sign is, otherwise there wouldnt be this misconception. Furthermore, if they feel sooo torchered by this symbol, shouldnt they at least know what the f*ck it really looks like?
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Blah.
Dont get me wrong, I hate nazi's. but I also hate whiney pieces of sh!t who ***** relentlessly about everything and nothing,

[Laughing Cow]

Robowaru is a "villain" in a Japanese Children's story, Robocon is the hero.

The show is live action and aimed at the pre-school market, plus it is a fairly old series by now.
In Asia most buddhist temples will use both clockwise and counter-clockwise manji(swastika) as they both represent different aspects. See links I provided.
As for the use of the Swastika, it was widely used in Europe and other regions prior to WW II.

While I agree that the figure might upset people and might be mis-interpreted, I must also say that People first need to do some research and find out the background of said figure before heading off on a crusade.
I blame Coca Cola for selling a possible controversial figure, not the designer of said figure.

For me this is just another PC-gob like when Swastikas were outlawed and photos in history books were touched-up to remove them from period photographs.
Heck, one day I could buy a model of a FW190 with correct WW II markings and soon after the same kit was missing the offensive symbol.

Cheers.