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    Could Exercising In Frigid Temperatures Make Us Healthier?
    January 1, 20195:00 AM ET
    PAUL CHISHOLM


    Winter swimmers enjoyed an icy dip in Poland's Garczyn lake last February. Recorded air temperature was around 14 degrees Farenheit, and a large ice hole had to be cut to allow the lake bathing.
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    When Scott Carney first saw the photo of a nearly naked man sitting comfortably on a glacier in the frigid cold, he was skeptical.

    The man — Wim Hof — is a Dutch athlete who claims to control his body temperature in extreme cold through sheer force of will. Exercising in the cold, Hof argues, makes people healthier.

    "I actually flew out there with the intention of debunking him as a fraud," says Carney, a Colorado-based journalist, author and senior fellow at Brandeis University's Schuster Institute for Investigative Journalism.

    But after learning Hof's methodology — a combination of meditation, breathing exercises and immersion in icy cold water — Carney became a believer.

    "In a matter of a few days, I was meditating on the bank of a snowy river in Poland in ridiculous, freezing winter, and melting the snow around me with my body temperature," Carney says.

    Carney details that experience in his book, What Doesn't Kill Us, which was released in 2017 and recently came out in paperback.

    Carney points out that humans dealt with cold temperatures for much of their evolutionary history. Introducing a bit of chill into our daily life now, he says, stimulates muscles and tissue in a good way.

    "Our bodies need to be in constant variation," Carney says. "That's what keeps us healthy and fit."

    But how does that translate to the way most of us exercise?

    Is jogging in the cold this winter any better than hitting a treadmill in a warm gym? How about jumping into a frigid ocean for a swim?

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    We asked some leading physiologists to weigh in.

    Burning extra calories

    Many of the purported benefits of cold hinge on brown fat, sometimes referred to as "good" fat. Long known to exist in human infants, brown fat burns calories and generates heat.

    Dr. C. Ronald Kahn, a researcher at the Joslin Diabetes Center at Harvard Medical School, was among the first scientists to document the existence of brown fat in very small amounts in adults in the mid-2000s.

    People can increase their levels of brown fat by being in mildly cold environments, Kahn says, though the effect on the number of calories they burn will be relatively small.

    "The average person will burn an extra 100 to 200 calories a day when brown fat is activated," Kahn says. "But if you go eat half a muffin, forget it."

    And that "100 to 200 calories" figure is for someone who's chilly all day long, he says. Most people experience cold for only short periods of time.

    "When you activate brown fat, it may stay active for a few hours," Kahn says. "Not permanently."

    Kahn also warns that Hof's call for exposure to the extreme cold could be overkill.

    "What it takes to activate brown fat is very mild degrees of cold," Kahn says. "If I put you in a room at 60 or 62 degrees Fahrenheit and you're dressed in very light clothing, that's enough to do it."

    A second way that people can burn extra calories when they're cold is through shivering. But Kahn doesn't suggest that strategy, either, because shivering makes most of us miserable.

    "It's a way to burn extra energy," Kahn says. "But I don't think there's any data to say that this is a good way to lose weight ... because it's not comfortable."

    Furthermore, people often warm up when they exercise, notes John Castellani, a research physiologist with the U.S. Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine. Since you have to feel cold to burn those extra calories, Castellani says, people who exercise outside might not actually be burning any more calories than those who are in a warm room.

    Exercising the blood vessels

    A side effect of exposure to the extreme cold that Hof calls for is vasoconstriction. When you're subjected to extreme cold, the muscles surrounding many of your blood vessels cause them to contract — sending more blood to your core, where it can stay warm.

    Carney says that because modern humans live in temperature-controlled environments, "all of that musculature is weak." Exercising those muscles through cold exposure, he claims, has "a huge impact on circulation and arterial health."

    Castellani says the theory is interesting but still untested.

    "In terms of using [cold] as a way of ... 'training the blood vessels?' To my knowledge there's no data to support that claim," says Castellani.

    Additionally, Dr. Aaron Cypess, a researcher at the National Institutes of Health worries that cold-induced vasoconstriction could have negative consequences for some people, including spikes in blood pressure.

    "We were looking at someone in one of our mild cold studies, and his blood pressure went really high," Cypess says. "That's not a good thing."

    Training the immune system

    One of Wim Hof's more startling claims — that he could consciously control his immune system — drew the attention of Matthijs Kox, a researcher at Radboud University Medical Center in the Netherlands.

    "At first we were a little bit reluctant, but then we started to look up all the remarkable feats he had pulled off," explains Kox. "So we decided to give him a chance to prove his claim."

    To put Hof to the test, Kox and his team injected Hof with a solution containing pieces of E. coli bacteria. Since the injection didn't contain live bacteria, it couldn't actually make Hof sick. But in most people, these bacterial compounds would fool the body into believing it is being attacked, triggering a temporary immune response that includes fever and inflammation. If Hof could indeed suppress his immune system, then the injection would have no such effect.

    Sure enough, Hof's body showed little reaction to the injection.

    "He had virtually no symptoms — which was remarkable," Kox says.

    Kox followed up, repeating the test on a group of individuals whom Hof had trained. Just as with Hof, people in the study who had received the training showed little reaction to the injection. But untrained control subjects experienced fevers, headaches and chills. Kox and his research team published their results in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, in 2014.

    Suppressing your own immune system may be possible, those results suggest — but for many of us, this may seem counterproductive. Why would we risk getting sick?

    Carney thinks that sort of suppression might benefit patients who are suffering from autoimmune disorders — such as forms of arthritis that are linked to the body's immune system essentially attacking itself. If people could suppress their immune system as Hof does, Carney contends, some could potentially cure themselves of those diseases.

    Kox is cautiously optimistic that this could, indeed, someday be a treatment strategy.

    "We still have to test it, but it might be beneficial in conditions associated with an overactive immune response," Kox says. "But we need more work — more proof — to see whether this is really beneficial."

    But which component of Hof's training contributed to the outcome? Was it the cold exposure, or the breathing exercises and meditation?

    Kox says he can't tell from his findings, but he is currently supervising an experiment to find out. He expects those results to be published within the next couple of years. Until then, the value of cold exposure as a treatment for autoimmune disease remains largely unproven, if promising.

    The case for cold?

    The bottom line is, there is little evidence so far to suggest that training in cold weather makes you healthier, or that you can burn significantly more calories. The physiologists Shots talked to all agreed on one thing: There simply hasn't been enough research to say one way or another.

    Cypess says he isn't ready to dismiss the potential benefits. But until he sees more compelling data, he's not likely to suggest it as a therapy. He has a bigger priority.

    "The most important thing is to get the person to exercise," Cypess says. "There is no obvious added benefit to exercising in the cold."

    Paul Chisholm is a freelance science writer in Rapid City, S.D. You can reach him on Twitter: @PaulJChisholm.
    Well, that's reassuring. I hate training in the cold.
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    How fitting.

    I knew there'd be some news on this somewhere about now, thus my post above. I just felt it.

    Martial artists ring in 2019 with icy plunge
    Rose Lundy rose.lundy@tdn.com Jan 2, 2019



    For the past three decades, Steve Larson has welcomed each new year by wading into icy waters with fellow martial artists. Tuesday marked the last time Larson will do the polar plunge as an owner of Longview’s Academy of Kung Fu.

    Larson, 65, has sold the school to 21-year-old former student and current head instructor Eric Beattie.

    But Larson says retirement won’t keep him from dipping in Lake Merwin near Ariel with other kung fu enthusiasts on Jan. 1 each year.

    “I’ll do the plunge even if I have to have a walker,” he said with a laugh.

    The plunge started in 1971 on the Kalama River as a way for martial arts students to challenge themselves and get out of their comfort zones, Larson said. After growing in popularity, the plunge eventually moved to Lake Merwin to have more room.

    At noon on the sunny, but brisk, first day of 2019, about 80 people from seven martial arts schools across the region gathered to briefly join hands before marching into the still lake.

    At 35 degrees, Tuesday’s plunge was milder than previous years, Larson said. One year, the sleet blew sideways at the swimmers and the windchill was below 0 degrees.

    “We do tough things sometimes … and when we do difficult things together, it strengthens a bond,” he said.

    Jason Ramsey, 31, drove up from Vancouver for his tenth polar plunge at Lake Merwin. He studies at Moy Martial Arts and Tai Chi Academy in Vancouver.

    “They say you should let the cold drive your New Year’s resolution into you and let the cold water wash the old year off of you,” Ramsey said before the plunge. “And it’s fun to get with friends and do the same incredibly stupid thing.”

    16-year-old Mikaela Jones, who also trains in Vancouver, said coming out of the cold water feels like an accomplishment each time.

    “It starts the year off with the mindset that if you do a hard thing and come back, it shows you where you can go if you push yourself,” Jones said.

    Those characteristics — confidence, self-discipline and respect — are important values that the Longview Academy of Kung Fu teaches students ranging from age 4 to 40, Eric Beattie said.

    “(This event) is important because it shows our spirit: No one wants to do this, (but) the black belt is a long journey and there are things you don’t want to do but you have to,” he said.

    Larson told the gather swimmers that the plunge “anchors” his life. He added afterwards that it is important to carry on traditions. He took over from former Castle Rock Police Chief Bob Heuer in the 1990s. And now Beattie will run the school.

    “At a certain point, the mentor has to step back and let the new generation take over. And he’s doing an incredible job,” he said.

    “Symbolic rebirth,” a nearby student suggested. Larson paused to consider the phrase.

    “ ‘Symbolic rebirth’ — I like that.”
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    F**k the out door winter training.
    I like that idea.
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    I live in Seattle so I feel you pain. We have wonderful summers and I take every opportunity to train outside. But in the winter it just sucks and I always end up gaining weight.

    But staying in shape in the winter is just this simple: join a gym. Make sure it's relatively inexpensive and doesn't have big join up fees. Find one that has an aerobics studio that isn't used very often and make sure you can use it to practice kung fu. This is the only way to get a consistent work out during the winter. I've tried running and training outside in the winter but ultimately the weather will screw up your routine plus I always seem to get a cold.

    I go to the gym almost everyday on my lunch hour. I alternate between running and lifting weights every other day. This is in addition to my kung fu training (3x a week) and Taiji (1 x a week.) I expect to be in awesome shape when summer roles around.

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    I'm in North Carolina now, but grew up and lived in the north until 3-4 years ago. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the #1 winter exercise: shoveling snow! If you have a weak back, you won't come next spring. Just be sure to stop and take a breather every few minutes. Every year, at least one guy drops dead from a heart attack while shoveling snow. Granted, he's usually over 50 and it's the only exercise he gets all year, but you can't be too careful. Although if you don't have a driveway you won't get the full benefit from this chore.

    Light outdoor sparring is also a hoot in winter. Open hand strikes become stinging b1tchslaps that'll make your eyes water. Also, as previously mentioned, the slippery surface forces you to develop a good stable root and footwork.
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    Haha! Starbuck is correct on both counts! Shoveling kicks my ass.

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    Hmm ... my landlord put a snow shovel by the front door. I have a feeling he's going to ask us to do some shoveling this winter! (We do some of the maintenance in return for a good-sized break on rent.)

    OK, so any tips on shoveling? That shovel doesn't look like your standard dig-a-hole-in-the-yard model.

    I also found out this week -- working out in the cold stings your lungs like crazy but I could have worked out for hours without sweating, if I had the time. Winter may not be too bad.
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    told ya cold air kills your lungs! (in a good way though)

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    Okay, some of you might disagree with me, but here's my take on it. This comes from camping/training with minimal gear through an arctic blast(though in the MO area, but still nasty), and general outdoor practice:

    -Cold air is NOT good to get deep in the lungs, so do not get huffing and puffing too much unless you're young and crazy. This WILL raise your likelihood way up of getting sick.

    -Push ups or anything else like that need to be done indoors.

    -Stretching should be done indoors, and will go much quicker that way.

    -Sparring in the cold is higher risk than elsewhere for obvious reasons(you will be tighter, no matter what, because that is what cold does).

    -Start with many layers, and remove as need be.

    -Anything that requires extended duration of more than your shoes touching the ground is risking losing a lot of body heat, which increases your risk of getting sick.

    -I've yet to experience a temperature at which I could not do chi kung comfortably. However, the more wind, the more skin I need to cover.

    -Sitting on concrete is trouble. Don't do it.

    -Dress for the season, and workout slower. Most body heat is lost through the head, so wear a hat.

    I HAVE to be at class throughout winter, as I'm a senior student. We train outside, so this is what I do to keep well.

    Most of the times I see people get sick or get sick myself, they either underdress for the cold, or get huffing and puffing too much cold air.
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    Huffing and puffing cold air will by no means get you sick. You may get cold-air induced athsma, but you will not get ill.

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    Semantics. Asthma, sick, what's the difference, functionally? Pushes the envelope for a cough too. Granted, it won't spontaneously 'create' a virus or anything, but it will make you less able, and is effectively the same as being sick.

    "Most of the times I see people get sick or get sick myself, they either underdress for the cold, or get huffing and puffing too much cold air."

    'Too much'

    "-Cold air is NOT good to get deep in the lungs, so do not get huffing and puffing too much unless you're young and crazy. This WILL raise your likelihood way up of getting sick."

    Again, 'too much'.

    I'm not saying there should be an absolute ban on aerobic activity in the cold, but there's a point that's too much.
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    So ... going for a little jog in the cold (like 1 mile or so) would be OK, but running until you're ready to fall out would be detrimental -- you get weak, your immune system weakens, and it opens the door to viruses. Something like that?
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    Originally posted by SaMantis

    OK, so any tips on shoveling?

    Usually, I start with a medium/tall stance and step into your shoveling swip, keeping your rear leg mostly straight. You will then be in something a lot like a bow stance. keep your back straight and use your front leg to help lift the weight on the shovel, slidding your rear leg in as you lift. Wah-la, shoveling and stance training. with this method you will be very unlikely to fall down while you are shoveling. This is the way I shoveled all last winter and it worked well for me. Being a snow plow driver shoveling is a good portion of my job.

    This may be the completely wrong way of lifting snow but it worked for me.

    btw, we had 10 inches of new snow this morning!
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    SaMantis: Well, perhaps my response to Ford was too involved. I have a deficiency in my briefness gland which prevents me from saying something like "Who wants asthma symptoms, either?"

    Yeah, I have nothing against jogging in the cold, or sprinting, I just keep wary of that point of exhaustion that opens me up to sickness.

    Ford, sorry if I came on a little strong with the semantics bit.
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    That's cool, KC Elbows,

    Qi dup, LOL on stance training! I'll keep the info in mind this winter.
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