Hardowork108 finally put a clip up!

[lkfmdc]

PS: in my last post to you or about you not only am I telling you to go fuck yourself you pathetic coward and piece of shit, but I'm also no ignoring you

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[Drake]

So we're all done, then!

HOORAY!!

[uki]

*sipping morning yerba mate*

it's never truly done.

*takes another sip of yerba mate*

i love how people lose control and resort to blantant name calling and personal insults... very mature.

*takes another sip*

ahhhhh... anyone else drink yerba mate??

[golden arhat]

wait wait wait before this ends


just one thing, why does practising more than one MA make you a jack of all trades?

surely you can master them both (even though i dislike the term master)
if buddhist monks can remember the sutra's off by heart then i'm sure mastering more than one martial art is far from impossible.

also wouldnt practising one martial art make you less able to talk about it in a realistic way, how can you be realisitic about what you practise when you have nothign to compare it to? and you obviously cant compare what you do to any other martial art because you have no background in it ?

everyone has been mixing their fighting skills since the dawn of time, but suddenly it scares a whole load of little guys who are "authentic" and "real"


point is that a mix of martial styles will beat just one 95% of the time
why cant people get to grips with that ? its just logic 2 heads are better than one

[bawang]

donkey boner!
yes.

nothing wrong with learning many styles, but today it seem to mean jujitsu, sambo, boxing,, sanda, muay muay

[sanjuro_ronin]

wait wait wait before this ends


just one thing, why does practising more than one MA make you a jack of all trades?

It never has.
The history of ALL TMA is full of people cross training in other systems, typically in their 20's and 30's, in their development stages, when you are suppose to do this.
To be honest, no one really knows when this view of "One MA for life, all other suck", came about, it certainly wasn't and isn't a "traditional" view.

[CFT]

The history of ALL TMA is full of people cross training in other systems, typically in their 20's and 30's, in their development stages, when you are suppose to do this.
To be honest, no one really knows when this view of "One MA for life, all other suck", came about, it certainly wasn't and isn't a "traditional" view.

It is conflating loyalty with Confucian values: "Yut yat wai si, zong san wai fu" (One day as a teacher, one lifetime as a father). In practice real martial artists were training with quality teachers whenever they came across them or actively sought them out.

[bawang]

It never has.
The history of ALL TMA is full of people cross training in other systems, typically in their 20's and 30's, in their development stages, when you are suppose to do this.
To be honest, no one really knows when this view of "One MA for life, all other suck", came about, it certainly wasn't and isn't a "traditional" view.

"One MA for life, all other suck" is a very recent invention, about 1960;s when some dogs began to teach westerners purely for money, in china i never hear of that idea
you dont stay in the same school for love of the style, you stay in the same school because you love your sifu
form as training is also a recent invention, when i started traiin 6 years ago from my grandfather and his friends, never heard of forms until i come to canada

[sanjuro_ronin]

It is conflating loyalty with Confucian values: "Yut yat wai si, zong san wai fu" (One day as a teacher, one lifetime as a father). In practice real martial artists were training with quality teachers whenever they came across them or actively sought them out.

Very true, I know in my case, my "cross traning" came to be via necessity, I moved around a lot and had to train in the systems that were availble.
I still tend to drift to the hard contact systems though.
My first system was Hung Kuen and even though I was young ( 8) and was only allowed to do drills and such, I saw the hard contact of the adults and wanted that, big time.
When I moved to Portugal in 82, I started up in Okinawan Goju/kyokushin mix because it was just that, hardcore.
I did boxing and judo too because they were closer than the Karate dojo and on the says I couldn't go, they filled the gap.
Etc, etc and such.
But I never stopped doing HK when I was doing Karate ( similar enough), you never really stop doing your core system, no matter what else you may add along the way, some people forget that.

[MasterKiller]

just one thing, why does practising more than one MA make you a jack of all trades?

LOL! CMA has always been a jack-of-all-trades approach!

Kick, punch, throw, lock...

[lkfmdc]

If you have had any real contact with any of the real "masters" you'd know that they all studied many methods and that what they teach is always reflective of this cross training

PERIOD

I could rattle off a LONG LIST of "respected masters" who have backgrounds in 4 to 7 styles

Also, I should mention that people we now call "masters" often started teaching with between 5 and 7 years training.... "masters" only exist in the mind of westerners

[bawang]

"qi men ba pai" , "si shi wu liu"
learning from 7 doors and 8 pais, learning from 4 families and 5 sects, they are compliments in the wu lin

you learn from as many people as you can and create your new style, if u beat many challengers you will have a lineage

[1bad65]

Also, I should mention that people we now call "masters" often started teaching with between 5 and 7 years training....

Well HW is getting close, he has 2 whole years of training.

[SimonM]

Quote from the webpage provided by MK.

The fighting range includes traditional Wing Chun ground fighting, which uses this style's techniques within its concepts and principles, without borrowing from other arts.

I'd personally (as somebody who does a lot of ground fighting) like to see this. Video please.

"One MA for life, all other suck" is a very recent invention, about 1960;s when some dogs began to teach westerners purely for money, in china i never hear of that idea
you dont stay in the same school for love of the style, you stay in the same school because you love your sifu
form as training is also a recent invention, when i started traiin 6 years ago from my grandfather and his friends, never heard of forms until i come to canada

This is very true.

Furthermore most of the wushu training in Chinese PE classes is Sanda training that is indistinguishable from "kick boxing".

[lkfmdc]

Quote from the webpage provided by MK.

I'd personally (as somebody who does a lot of ground fighting) like to see this. Video please.

Kicking someone from your back while they are standing over you can be considered "ground fighting", but more often then not, when an "advanced ground fighting method" is "rediscovered" in a TCMA, it is because someone just bought some DVD's