considering there is a lot of it in the magazine
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considering there is a lot of it in the magazine
Maybe because most CMA is in denial that they pretty much are just wushu?
We've discussed it a little. We inherited this forum years ago and only added our Kung Fu Tai Chi Magazine & KungFuMagazine.com Forum. All the forums were active, so we didn't make that many changes so as not to be too disruptive to the membership when we came on board. We get a lot of people asking about new forums, and that's great, but we just aren't adding anything at this time. Frankly, for wushu, we're neighbors to Berkeley and jiayo dominates when it comes to wushu forums, so we defer to Raffi on that. At one point, when that site needed to be updated, we offered to host it, but it was declined (and I admire that integrity). You'll notice that it's one of the only forums outside this one that I occasionally post on.
Gene, I don't know why you bothered to respond to what amounts to nothing but vitriol.
How many issues you got golden? In my collection of KFM, there are relatively few articles about anything contemporary wushu. Mostly trad players.
Judging by that Berkeley tournament a lot of people do wushu.
he was jus askin a question dave. chill out. have a brew. drinks on me.
I thought the Shaolin forum was for wushu players. :p
Actually we run more modern wushu than any other magazine on the newsstands today. We support CMA in all it's manifestations. In fact, you *must* see our next issue - there's a lot of wushu in it and I think traditionalists are really going to like it. That'll be our NOV DEC '06. Subscribe now. ;)
Eddie -
His post was a jab, not a comment or question.
and it doesnt hurt anyones feelings (unless ur that petty ).
and if u look through the magazine u will see tony chen countless times in it (a wushu player) plus on all the tiger claw tournament coverage articles there are discussions on wushu and people seen doing wushu .there are letters complaining about wushu and countless discussions on its inclusion in the 2008 beijing olympics and that is just off the top of my head read into it and there is even more . i wont tell u how many issues ive got as im not going into an " im holier than thou " (***** measuring ) compettition with u ...im above that taking into consideration im 15 and u r HOW OLD come on mate grow up .
calm down ,dont get insulted, and learn some humility .... for all our sakes
Tony Chen a wushu player? You sure about that? Maybe he has a handle on the compulsory curriculum as a lot of trad teachers do these days.
Anyway, I percieved it as a jab becasue of the terseness of how it was written. It reads as a snide comment really.
No peeing contest at all, just pointing out that wushu is not the main body of the magazine over the years and if it gets weighed up, it's mostly trad stuff and not contemporary wushu focused although I would say that it is probably the only magazine where you will find props given to contemporary players.
they deserve exposure too seeing as technically they are under the banner of Chinese martial arts.
age has little to do with what's observable and a lot to do with perception.
im just saying that i dont think wushu is adequately represented on THIS FORUM
anyway im finished arguing if u were offended im sorry
Most of the stuff Tony does personally is traditional O-mei, baji, xingyi, mizong, and sanda. He can teach modern wushu, but I've never seen him do an aerial or a barrel roll (which is not to say he doesn't do them, I've just never seen him do one and I've been under him for several years now). I certainly wouldn't classify Tony Chen as modern wushu. My window to practice modern wushu is long past and it would be a waste of time for me to be training under Tony if that's what he emphasized.
What's probably confusing you is Tony's O-Mei Academies. He has several top wushu people on his teaching staff though like Li Xue, Ding Wei, Gao Jie, Zhao Haitao, and more. The kids all play wushu and that makes up for the bulk of our student body. O-Mei has produced a lot of champions and dominated the local tournament scene, but few of those are Tony's direct students. Mostly, they're students of Ding Wei (Tiffany Reyes is a classic example). O-Mei also has sanda champs on staff like Sam Looc and Song Peng, plus four new champions that tony is grooming for MMA (one just fought last weekend but was not familiar enough with the rules yet and lost when his Muay Thai based opponent cut his face open). Plus there's some Tai Chi specialists like Dr. Johnny Jang and Peng Wen. And we've just added two Shaolin disciples, Yanfei and Yanxing. So it's quite a range.
But back to your original question, golden arhat, most of the members of this forum are more traditionally oriented, so almost every wushu discussions get flamed. If you want to talk wushu, jiayo is the place. Just remember to plug the magazine when you're over there. Here, they complain that's there too much wushu in KFTC. There, they complain that there isn't enough. :rolleyes:
I'm serious about the next issue. It's got a lot of wushu in it. And a lot of traditional. I'll be eager to see how it is received.
one reason good reason I won't br buying that issue thenQuote:
In fact, you *must* see our next issue - there's a lot of wushu in it
Also reread my 8th post on this thread:
I mean that. When you see it on the newsstand in a month, you'll see what I mean. Trust me, I know what I'm doing here. ;)Quote:
I think traditionalists are really going to like it.
Gene
I’ve seen a lot of contemporary wushu over the years here in the UK & I’ m not convinced about the wushu one size fits all.
I’d rather do, watch or read about any martial arts that are based on practical technique rather than Beijing Opera.
I’ve been a CLF practitioner for more years that I’d admit to for instance I’d rather watch two high level Wing Chun practitioners doing chi sao to some very boring to watch, but really interesting when you see them controlling & programming where their their opponents next move is going to be.
What if I got some leading figures in the wushu world to renounce modern wushu?
May be, may be not.
If its on the stand I might have a look but guarantee of a sale.
5 bucks says mano mano at least reads it if not buys it.
...and for the record, there's plenty of other articles that are traditionally-oriented in this upcoming issue. There's only two features that focus on wushu (although one is the cover story) and two news items, but the rest of it is solid traditional. I'm looking forward to your reactions, as always.
Something has been bothering me about MA magazines. I used to read them more, but in recent (okay, past 10 or so) years haven't really bought them much.
It's the format ... with the Internet you can view videos really quickly, download stuff and no problem. But with a print magazine you can't really do that, sure you can read it on the bus or train or something but you have to hop on the Internet to try to find their sites.
It seems like what would be really useful would be an e-zine like you have, but instead totally mimicking the content of the print magazine, so you can go to the e-zine version and read the articles, click on videos and all of that.
It used to be that our print magazine supported our e-zine, but those tables have turned and continue to turn for the world of print publishing. Magazines are a dying media. E-zines are constantly growing. Why do you think I spend so much time on the forum? Ok, I know, shirking work just like the rest of you. :p Seriously though, there's nothing more gratifying than seeing our forum come out above someone's 'official' site on a google or yahoo search. ;)
i wont be able to by my beloved kfm eventually then
nothing to collect
nothing to read on the bus or the train nothing to cut out and stick on my wall nothing to stick in my scrap book
im sad now
Can you get it in print in the UK ? I find that Martial Arts Illustrated is too full of scantily clad ladies and big tough guys for my liking!
This whole "I'm not buying the next issue because it has wushu in it" is a remarkable demonstration of close-mindedness, the kind that is killing martial arts now. Or perhaps, it's an example of how poorly some people read the forum. Well, there's a lot of noise here, so I can't say I blame them for that. I don't read it that carefully myself. I think if you do, it would rot your mind.
But just for discussion's sake (this is a discussion forum after all) let's go back to my last few posts. I said it had a lot of wushu in it. I also said "I think traditionalists are really going to like it" and "some leading figures in the wushu world to renounce modern wushu". Now, given those statements, one could imply that this is presentation on wushu is not a pro-wushu article. One might even imply that these said features are anti-wushu. I also saidI'm not looking forward to reactions of people who don't bother to engage the mag just because there might be negative wushu articles in it. That's just absurd. Has your rejection of modern wushu become so absolute that you will deny anything that mentions wushu at all? Think before you answer this because it might be a trick question. It might be a trap. :pQuote:
...and for the record, there's plenty of other articles that are traditionally-oriented in this upcoming issue. There's only two features that focus on wushu (although one is the cover story) and two news items, but the rest of it is solid traditional. I'm looking forward to your reactions, as always.
it comes out far too late but we d get it i plan like a month in advance when im going to get it lol
i think wushu has its place alongside trad martial arts and wushu is based in traditional so maybe through wushu we can get a better understanding of our own arts people are so set in there ways that they cant see that wushu has alot to offer the martial arts community
why do u think people are so afraid of wushu ?
Where can you get it from in the North West/Lancashire?
i can get it all over oldham and greater manchester it stays on the shelf for along time u can probably get it in leeds i think the ppl that distribute it are called comag so look that up u have a good chance of finding it in chain news agents (not whsmith tho)
id travel to buy it its worth it :D
We're actually distributed in some 40+ countries, although some of those places only get a few dozens issues. Foreign distribution of American publications is quite bizarre. I get semi-weekly reports on how each issue is doing and on some of them, there's this little catagory for foreign. That number is pretty stable. What it means (as in where those issues go) is quite a mystery.
For the record, Canada is not considered part of foreign distribution. It's in a catagory all by itself and we do quite well there, which always amazes me since we can't ship staffs to Canada.
i think u should start promoting it more in the uk
u would do better than the other publications here most of which have an obsession with mma, kickboxing and new martial arts fads
plus there are thousands of us kung fu ppl here (especially in manchester where there is a massive chinese community there are more cma clubs here than any other martial art that i know of (muay thai is very popular here also) and ur magazine is better written than anything here also
I don't deny anything that mentions wushu, I just believe the wushu authorities in China have the agenda that every thing to do with Chinese martial arts has to be standardized, done their way whether it has martial value or not.Quote:
I'm not looking forward to reactions of people who don't bother to engage the mag just because there might be negative wushu articles in it. That's just absurd. Has your rejection of modern wushu become so absolute that you will deny anything that mentions wushu at all? Think before you answer this because it might be a trick question. It might be a trap.
If you want a good meal do you go to your nearest McDonalds same standard burger in every country around the world or to the good little family restaurant on the corner with the excellent cook.
The thing that bothers me about modern wushu is lots of teachers from China want to get paid for just teaching forms. And they are clueless of the applications of the forms.
That being said, I recently got a video of Helen Liang and she is very good. Is it just wushu? Well, they don't cover the applications of the form, so I guess it is just wushu.
That being said, she does a pretty good job with the form, and there is a certain grace to her execution. She's also not too bad looking, and she puts on a good performance. Which is pretty amazing considering she had cancer and all.
Anyway, I wouldn't dispose of a magazine just because it had wushu in it. The only reason I don't subscribe to the magazine is because I don't want to get on the mailing list and receive another ton of junk mail. :)
Here's the cover story of our latest issue, the one on wushu that I said the traditionalists might enjoy.
Where Wushu Went Wrong
Wushu's Leading Champion, Zhao Changjun, Extols Traditional
Another piece in the NOV DEC 2006 in a similar vein is Wushu's New Difficulties: American Wushu Pioneer Master Bryant Fong Speaks Out.
My idea would be to have a Northern Kung Fu forum. Sure, we have a Shaolin forum, but allot of Northern styles don't fit there so they are stuck in the main forum (although some people do put non-Shaolin northern styles in the Shaolin forum). My idea would be to change the name of the Shaolin forum to the "Northern and Shaolin Kung Fu forum" or something along those lines. Makes things easier.
That's my two cents.
very nice lookin forward to the mag this month havnt got it yet
maybe we could have a nanquan / southern weapons division in the southern chinese kung fu forum and a a long fist/ other wushu styles in a northern forum or the kung fu forum ?
just a suggestion what do u reckon gene
nice one for the article
A big thing with making a new forum would be to move all the related old threads into the new one. That would be a lot of work. Moving threads is easy, but digging through the archives takes time. Maybe some day we'll so some reorganizing but it's way on the backburner.
I don't feel we necessarily need a new forum for Northern Kung Fu. Just changing the name of the Shaolin forum to the "Northern and Shaolin Kung Fu forum" would work.
Does anyone know why the (should SD have it's owm forum) thread has been locked:confused:
First it was moved from the KF forum then locked is there something I'm missing??
I didn't notice any flaming on this thread and not even a warning from Jean or a moderator.
I don't mean to hi jack this thread but the two seem to have a similar question.