The stool is common in the household.
These are the 42 postures of fighting with a stool.
Stool fighting set
Have fun.
This is not a serious thread.
:D
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The stool is common in the household.
These are the 42 postures of fighting with a stool.
Stool fighting set
Have fun.
This is not a serious thread.
:D
Drawing diagrams was the way of taking notes for me in the 70's and early 80'.
Nowadays, people may use the digi cam and camcorder.
:D
1. place the stool in the front and move forward into a bow stance.
2. hitting downward from the side or Pi with advance step.
3. kicking the groin.
4. open your folded stool with a bow stance.
5. turn to look at back side and strike or Kao with the back as in Ba Ji fist.
6. single punch with the bow stance.
7. turn around and strike with the back fist.
8. single punch with the horse stance.
9. hit with the stool with advance step.
10. fold the stool with a back step.
11. hit with stool upward or Liao with advance step.
12. use the stool to penetrate or stab forward with advance step.
13. swirl the stool to neutralize.
14. intercept with the stool.
15. stab with the stool with advance step.
16. intercept with the stool with advance step.
17. lock with the stool.
18. hit with the stool downward with the bow stance.
19. Kao with the shoulder or back as in Ba Ji fist with advance step.
20. palm strike to the neck
21. as the body to push as in Ba Ji fist.
22. hit downward on the head as if a bird beak.
23. intercept with the stool left and right.
24. elbow strike with jump step as in Liang Yi Ding in Ba Ji fist.
25. hit with your back fist.
26. hit with the stool downward or Pi with advance step.
27. turn to the backside and open the folded stool.
28. intercept with the stool and a jump kick to the chin.
29. heavy hitting with stool with kneeling step.
30. intercept leaning back.
31. intercept with stool and swing crescent kick.
32. fold up the stool.
33. intercept with the stool to the left.
34. swing laterally with the stool to the right.
35, circling the stool to intercept.
36. penetrate or stab forward with the stool.
37. intercept.
38. penetrate with the stool with advance step.
39. Kao.
40. jump ahead and hit with the stool downward.
41. turn around and Qin Na.
42. turn around and hit downward with the stool.
I was going to recommend ex-lax but now I realize I misunderstood the topic.
I saw a monkey in the zoo throw a stool...
Okay, this is really sad; I was in a tournament going back about 20 something years ago, in NYC. There was this guy, wearing a camo Karate Gi, or Ninja outfit, not sure which, doing a form with a folding wooden chair. It was ridiculous. He would place it on the floor, kick over it, sit down and punch in two directions, fold it, unfold it, punch through the space in the back, this would go on for awhile. I went to the bathroom, and when I came back, he was still performing the set. I mean, it was that long! It's bad enough that some charletan would teach his camo-clad students a freakin chair form, but on top of it, he made it so long and...complex! As if it were some sort of real technique!
Ok, it gets better...or worse, depending on how you look at it. There was (I'm not sure if it was the same tournament, or it was the same guy at a different tournament-it was so long ago) this guy who did a "form" with a Chinese Straw hat-he would have it on his head, grab it and flip it down in front of him, flip it back up and put it on his head, then punch. Then he would turn, flip it down, flip it back up and then do some other move. This went on forever. He had to be from the same school. The judges had that blank stare on their faces that one gets when they are in utter disbelief.
These must be the secret scrolls of the deadly chair form handed down from one generation of idiots to another. Evidently the original keepers of the scroll perished, probably earning a Darwin Award in the process , but the technique lives on! :eek:
There are already 'bench' forms. Although the two I have learned are quite cool, (one is drunken) they are not high on my list of forms that I will ever have to use in real life. I am not going to get into a fight after sawing wood (closest equivalent to KF bench today - saw horse) and I don't see me in a biker style bar where I might pick up a 'stool' and fight a gang of thugs (I always wanted to write the word 'thugs') So what's the deal here?
I'm with Sifu Kellerman. There is so much cool KF out there, why do people still feel compelled to make shiit up?
Yes. it is a made up for fun.
:D
That was great SPJ. I've actually seen a "traditional" folding chair set using one of those small double X style chairs (for lack of a better way of describing it). One of my favorite chapters of the development of modern wushu that many overlook was a period right after the Cultural Revolution when they developed all these sets using "People's weapons" - mostly modern farming and household tools. Stuff that came into fashion were sickles (actually there is some traditional sickles called lian dao), sledgehammers, folding chairs, yokes, even the covers of giant cooking pots, all sorts of odd common items. It was short lived, just post CR and pre-modern wushu.
Wouldn't that make the stool too soft for fighting? Or is the goal to produce a flexible weapon?Quote:
Originally Posted by rogue
Well said. Mud slinging is a viable weapon to the eyes.
You may use a short staff and practice the same routine.
Naah, it is a made up set for entertainment.
:D
How does a monkey boxer fight with his stool?
Exactly opposite the way a stool boxer fights with his monkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by KC Elbows
I happen to know you're wrong. If one wants to fight well with their stool, one must fight with their stool every morning, and again at night. Clearly, it's the same fighting with your monkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterKiller
It is a rare morning that I do not fight with my stool for at least an hour, sometimes two. It is hard practice, but the feeling of accomplishment that follows is worth it.
You are not the monkey stool king!
Alas, I only wrestle with my stool perhaps once, maybe twice, per week. My lack of "live" training is holding me back!
Bran=good chi, cheese=bad chiQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterKiller
It's not the diet. :p When my appendix ruptured they removed a few solid inches of intestine that had become infected..since then..one poop a week is normal for me. But oh, what a poop it is!Quote:
Originally Posted by KC Elbows
Will this help?
Tai Chi .
:D
I recckon SPJ is hard done by.
I don't believe anything is static. Lam'o Pie, you said there is so much cool KF out there, why make stuff up, yet your branch is blazing new paths in commercialised training and sport fighting techniques.
I mean, It makes sense, why should I learn to use a stool or bench, especially when I keep my Kwan Do in the car, my double swords in my belt, my whip chain around my waist and my short staff in my pants....( I can't believe you guys missed that one.)
If stool fighting is a waste of time, then by association, all other traditional weapon fighting is a waste of time (something I have often considered myself...other than firearms and backpack tactical nukes).
So, being that a stool is more common than a sword or even a staff, isn't it more relevent? Isn't the essential lesson of weapons training in learning how to adapt practically anything into an effective weapon? As the saying goes, the hand is the mother, the stick is the father, and all weapons are their children?
I have video of Chan Hak Fu's son doing the Giant Screwdriver form, will I share? NO! But I am secretly training up a band of Motor Mechanics as a private army.
Tain't no big thing, I just think SPJ deserves some credit for delving into what is the essence of traditional Kung Fu. Kudos.
But, I'll be ****ed if I'm gonna share my 8 smashing whomps with a road-kill Kangaroo with you louts...
But I will send you some stools.....
Yes.
The shoes, belt or shirts twisted like a rope etc may be used as "devices" to defend or fight with limits.
In the old time, something hard, or sharp may all become some kind of "devices" to fight.
From sharpend rocks and arrows, to cruise missiles, we have come a looooong way.
:D
CCK TCPM actually has an umbrella form. I've seen it performed by some of Grandmaster Ly's students. Very cool!
SPJ - you mentioned clothing. We were playing with rubber knives one day, and asked Sifu for some advice on dealing with knives, and without a seconds hesitation, his jacket came off, over his head, wrapped around the knife, and bound the arm with a couple of twists. It wasn't the first time he ever did it, obviously.
And, those heavy bar room ashtrays, chairs, stools, or even glasses, I've seen all brought into play before.
I think the question is, do you train with them, or does your training give you an edge on improvisation. I think surely the latter in most cases.
Yes. There are some drill sets using the "prop" to fight.
They are derivations or extensions of your regular open hand training.
In the old time, some of devices may become a main "weapon".
For example, your shirt is twisted into a rope like with tied up on both ends. Use both hands to hold on both ends as if you are holding a long staff or 3 section staff except there are no outer sections. You pretty much use the same skills with a long staff except focusing on the mid section which is what you have.
As an extension, you may use your elbows to hit etc
It is a combo. You may still punch with both fists dropping the shirt on one end or not. The rest is the same with your open hand techniques.
etc.
So, has anyone here sparred with MasterKiller or red5angel?
KCelbows alan: try some of that 'hard chis' practice. as the pressure builds in your throat your tongue should squish through your teeth like the li-gong just before the zhide-jing. also, the same pressure building is required to throat-sing as the armenians do: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. those of you struggling need to build and release from the breath. chi power is all about correct breathing. this should get things moving again.Quote:
Originally Posted by KC Elbows
for those whom still wrestle with the stool: the ability to replace a stool after it has been moved is inversely proportional to its viscosity and its sweatieness. :eek: :D :cool:
Actually I know a badazz bench set. It's very dynamic and requires a huge amount of stamina, flexability, dexterity and skill.
Sifu Barry required all students to know this form before they were allowed to move onto larger weapons like the kwan do or tiger fork because of their weight. (if you could whip a beanch around your head one handed then you were ready for those weapons..)
http://www.shaolinchamber.com/video_...vidclip_05.wmv
another cools cene form that movie:
http://www.shaolinchamber.com/video_...vidclip_03.wmv
I thought you train in san shou? I didnt know you traine din classical kung fu?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinTiger00
I trained in jow ga and northern shaolin for years before I saw san shou in '95, and for a year or two after I did both, and then just dropped forms completely.
"Blazing New Paths"? You can't be serious? I love these comments.
My Sifu once said that "most KF teachers are like crabs in a bucket. The crabs just climb over each other and keep draggin each other down. If they were to unite an combine there strengths, they'd escape with ease." Hey, KF people, support each other!
Yum Cha,
I assume you are commenting on my training brothers in NYC who do Saan Da. If you are talking about me, I would be surprised, since I don't believe we've met.
Every time anyone achieves success in the MA business, everyone has something to say about it. I love it. Open up a school, show up for work everyday and I'll speak to you in 15 years.
As far as my comment about all the KF out there; let me be more specific. I don't know the person who made this form. He might very well be a competant martial artist. My comment was directed more at people who don't achieve proficiency at what they have already learned. I have seen many people over the years show me all kinds of craap that someone made up (who was not competent) and tried to pass off as 'good'. It's just a shame. With all the KF out there...That's all I'm saying.
how did you like that style and did you use any of it in your san shou?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShaolinTiger00
Perhaps you should take a leaf from your own book next time you slag some guy for offering up his original thought for our entertainment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lama Pai Sifu
You assume incorrectly. Isn't that you that started the thread "Chinese Martial Arts Business" wherein you are running a clinic on tips and techniques to manage a commercially viable Kung Fu school for the modern western consumer, including training techniques for tournaments? Aren't you also offering a consulting service for a fee as well? I mean, please correct me if I am wrong...Is there more than one Lama Pai Sifu?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lama Pai Sifu
My point being that you have chosen to do new things too, i.e. you don't run your schools in EXACTLY the same manner that your sifu ran his, as evidenced by the long and very clearly illustrated thread on Chan Sifu and your thread on "Chinese Martial Arts Business"...and thus when you rubbish other people for trying new things, it seems unequitable and a bit "crabby".
Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. My only critical intonnation was towards your double standard, not towards your business in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lama Pai Sifu
Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. If you've been following his posts, SPJ seems like a reasonably qualified individual, I simply think he deserves the benefit of the doubt and wanted to put some runs on his side of the board. Then again, I probably think a lot more like he does than you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lama Pai Sifu
Cheers,
Oh, and if the "Lam'0 Pie" nick is what irked you, no disrespect intended Michael, just trying to lighten things up.
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Originally Posted by Yum Cha
stools are a traditional clf weapon.
there are a few "tricks" that i still use in my fighting that I learned from kung fu.Quote:
Originally Posted by BornToKill
but the truth is that it's probably about 1%.
Fair and Reasonable reply.
I didn't mean to come off so harsh regarding the stool.
Here are a few points to clarify:
I did start a CMA business thread. The state of CM school is so poor in most states. They are not run professionally, they don't offer good service and they don't understand how to train students so that don't quit. Think about it. Why is there a 20:1 ratio of Japanese and Korean schools to KF schools? Becaue there arts are easier? Think again. Because most CM school owners think they are living in a shaw brothers movie. Not to mention, there are very FEW successful KF schools in the coutry, so not too many role models for current and new instructors.
CM school owners need to update their businesses, and their teaching so that our arts can prosper. It's not just about making a good living. It's about doing the right things to promote your art to more people (assuming that is what one wants)
And am I being innovative? Hardly. I just apply business stragies and use professional models of success businesses. Some martial arts schools, some not.
Am I teaching like my Sifu did? Hell No! That method attracted a few dozens new students a year and kept a small handfull for a decade or so. Not very successful. Some people might say: "well, if he produced one good student, than he was a success." In some people's minds, the one's who have LOW expectations,..yes, that is a success. It's just not what I'm expecting and certainly less than what I can accomplish.
Just to clear things up.
The form was posted in a Chinese KF forum.
I did not come up with the form.
I like it. There are some good ideas in them, some are practical, some may not be ok.
The creator may know some Shaolin Long fist and basic sword play.
He used the stool as if a broadsword or straightsword. He used the stool to fend off attacks and then punch, kick, elbow strikes etc.
Since there are good and valid elements in them. Nobody criticised the form in the Chinese KF forum.
They only requested who ever know more about the this, please perform them with a stool.
The stool may do downward Pi like a Dao due to weight, but there is no blade.
The stool may point or Dian, stab or Chi like a straight sword, etc.
It is just for fun and comparative study only.
:D
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Originally Posted by BornToKill
my older brother showed me that a number of years ago. the vhs quality was kinda bad, tho. the wushu for the dragon bench section was pretty creative. a nice twist was that he knew the set well enough to pick up where the class was and continue as the master 'instructed' him.
when they went to the gymnasium/school to find the monk it seemed a bit west side storyish in terms of the choreography before the individual fight scene.
kool posts: 10 points for out of the box librarian! :D
sifu's should not sacrifice their teaching quality for 2 year programs. Otherwise you have people like dale douglas who think you can learn iron palm in 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lama Pai Sifu
My name for the record is Dale Dugas.
Your name on the other hand is not what you claim it to be.
Iron skills do not take 20 +years to attain and anyone who says that is full of poo poo.
If your going to drop my name at least spell it right, son.
Do you not think it unwise that I can attain that skill in almost a 1/10th of what you profess it to take?
You hear anyone else talk about taking decades to see results.
Again you open your mouth and show you total ineptitude and total lack of real training.
In Boston,
Dale Dugas
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dale Dugas
So are you saying you can stop a bullet with your hand?