You're an idiot moshe!
I know a few women who learned a non-ng Chan system that would run circles around you and your insecure teacher...
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certainly you are missing the point !
the terms #ignorant# or #idiot# that you are using ,resume your poor potential of argumentation
I'm talking about rigid as in when the moment the contact is made. Ng Chan, on the other hand, is very soft, controlling, and absorbing the instant the contact is made, and the balance is upset without hitting you. My dad didn't get that same feeling from TST. No doubt that TST is very good structure-wise (circular and angular), my dad still praises him for that, especially his SLT is very detailed and the amount of training he put his students through (at least 6 months of SLT).
I don't think my dad misunderstood any of the Wing Chun concepts, he had just as much experience as those who claimed they had 40 years of WC in this forum and tested his WC against other schools in his younger days! No offense and I don't mean to declare other schools suck or anything. I'm just reiterate what his experience was when comparing TST and Ng Chan. :)
Anyway, this thread has become school bashing thread, I don't wish to continue to discuss in this thread anymore. I can see that Mosh would like to promote a bit more about Ng Chan, but I also don't think it's appropriate to start off that harsh. Otherwise, it becomes the classic TWC vs. the non-TWC ages ago.
No offense either, but either you are misunderstanding your dad, he is miscommunicating something to you, or he is incorrect.
Your first paragraph proves my point. Even if you don't yield, you are doing the exact same thing you are attributing to Ng Chan: controling and absorbing. You're just doing it differently. Don't like my use of "angular" or not "circular"? Fine, pick another word. But if you are "rigid", your hands are dead; you cannot react.
Tsu Shong Tin can do it as you ascribe: by yielding. He just prefers not to. Maybe he's too lazy to move. ;)
Trubblman- that was poor judgement and in very bad taste IMO.
joy chaudhuri
I'm not searching for anything mystical. My Sifu blew all that cr4p away when I first met him in 1994! :D
And I don't recall agreeing with that part of Moshe's post either.
I, for one, have been taken into the family in a similar 'oath' type manner and have made 100s cups of tea for my Sifu too, not just one! ;) Nothing to do with killing though, just a cultural path for those who are chosen fme...
lonetiger
I personally would be very interested to hear more about Ng Chan or any direct student of Ip Man for that matter, because there are far too few left alive today and we need to keep a bit more of an open mind. Just saying...[/QUOTE]
once ,i dont have the date in mind,yip man was very upset against all his students (i know the reason ,but its better not to tell why, let say that they just interefered in his private life)
he didnt appreciate and didnt want anymore to teach them.
so he asked ng chan to move all his personals things to a new location.
after a while the students had regrets about what happened and went to apologize,and asked him to resume their learning .
he accepted ,but then ng chan was living with him ,and yip man asked him to be in charge of the teaching for few years
once ,i dont have the date in mind,yip man was very upset against all his students (i know the reason ,but its better not to tell why, let say that they just interefered in his private life)
he didnt appreciate and didnt want anymore to teach them.
so he asked ng chan to move all his personals things to a new location.
after a while the students had regrets about what happened and went to apologize,and asked him to resume their learning .
he accepted ,but then ng chan was living with him ,and yip man asked him to be in charge of the teaching for few years[/QUOTE]
What years is ng chan meant to teach...?
i will ask to my sifu
Moshe- I am on the run -an additional reason for being brief.
1. Before his retirement there was a group whose leader tried to manage an aspect of Ip man's life.
2. Understandable if Ng Chan helped him move.
3. The above has zilch to do with Ip man teaching Ng Chan the real goods.
4. Ng Chans forms in the videos shows wing chun- nothing exclusive.
5. You are passing on a broken telephone set of messages.
6. Why not enjoy your wing chun rather than making exaggerated and distorted
and un-necessary claims on this list that reflect on Ip Man;s students and to some extent on Ip man.
joy chaudhuri
What years is ng chan meant to teach...?[/QUOTE]
HE STARTED TO ASSIST YIP MAN IN 1956,WHEN THEY MOVED TO THE DISTRICT OF YU MA TI
HE STARTED TO ASSIST YIP MAN IN 1956,WHEN THEY MOVED TO THE DISTRICT OF YU MA TI[/QUOTE]
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Ip Man had public group classes and private classes in 1956.
No one but he himself did the one on one private instruction.
joy chaudhuri