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You can have both for different objectives.
joy
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You can make platforms with posts regardless of apt floors...
Article on the Ip Chun site.
http://www.ipchun.net/article-ipchun08-09.htm
Rest in peace...
Jox
i recall you first that the strength and energy that you have to provide in wing chun has to be the one that we are expecting from a women (who doesnt try to look like a man)
plus in wing chun when the hand launch an attack ,it has to come back only one the opponent is down and this in one movement
but one movement in wing chun is not like boxing where your punch and the hand step back each time for the following to attack
in wing chun the hand doents step back but when your arm meet an obstacle ,than you circulate by the shortest way (and this, as often you need) to strike the point you decide to strike
this is called one movement because during this your sensation and strengh move on differents locations of your forearm and hand and this never stop ,if its sopped your become dead in the way of wing chun because at this moment you are not anymore driving the situation (an empty moment)
if between each movement you stop your flow even a micro sec in you arm (like for exemple physical style of fighting when there is a break or a contraction between 2 movements ) you are not anymore practising what is making the specificty of wing chun
so knowing that a women created this style and is abble to provide a very particular strength ,and is abble to use the opponent force as well ;she organised differents movements which ones help to create a leverage in order to deflect attacks ,to control all kind of energy in the opponent arm and to allow you to circulate without any break or stop in the flow of your movements
this said should help anyone to keep in mind the purpose of wing chun
simple exemple ;you do bon sao followed by tan sao like you learned ,you must feel that the transition between both kill your flow of continuous sensation and stength to control continusly an other arm
that is not a good leverage
i hope i have answered to your expectation ,and sorry for my english (being french)
regards
I found this to be of interest, as it describes exactly the way we are supposed to be in Jook Lum SPM. (Tai Chi as well, I am told...)
I got a sense of Moshe's translation except for the grammar about the bong tan transitionm
I got sense of honoring Ng Chan in Jox's translation but not the rest.
However thanks.
joy chaudhuri
In Lingnam fist arts there are 3 types of pole. Single headed pole [rat tail pole], double headed pole [chai mei gwan (eyebrow level pole)], and 'double and single' pole (seung gaap daan gwan) [between the former two][1]. Why does the Northern (arts) not have these features? The reason is the power for using the pole, a direct relationship to the bridge arms (kiu sau), whereas the spear mainly follows coordination with the body shape so the reliance on the bridge arms is not so great. But the single headed pole is exactly the best weapon for skillful bridge arms. The lever principle, after long period of hard training, combined with a pole 10ft 2, no matter if it is one to one or one to many, it is very advantageous, able to maintain distance, able to see the opponent clearly. Lingnam has a saying: 'The pole fears the old man', there is a reason for this. After a long period of training, power can be applied freely, plenty of experience, with a pole in the hands, it's like one man guarding the pass. In the past when lion dancing, everyone carried weapons, there would always be 2 single headed poles bringing up the rear.Quote:
嶺南拳術,棍有三種.單頭棍[鼠尾棍]雙頭棍[齊眉棍]雙夾單[兩者之間].為什麼北方沒有這些特點?原因是使棍有威力,跟橋手有直接關系,而槍主要跟身形配合,對橋手要求不高.而 單頭棍正是橋手純熟后的最佳兵器.貢杆原理,經過長時間苦練,配合棍長丈二,無論單對一,或單對多,非常有 利,能保持距離,看清對手.嶺南有雲,'棍怕老郎'言出有因.經過長期練習,力量使用自如,經驗老到,一棍 在手,在如一夫當關.以前舞獅,各人攜帶兵器,必有兩條單頭棍壓陣尾.
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[1] The 'double and single' pole uses both single and double headed techniques.
"Mourning Wu Chan" (September 2008 No.)
Autumn wins fight summer, this year is more powerful, heat waves to force people, forced people a little breathless.
September 9, the day A CAT received within eight hours to three times the phone for the first time, ten o'clock: Can Peter admission; second, around noon: the isolation ward was admitted to Queen Elizabeth; third, about 6 pm: Can Peter has already started to go.
Illness and death, this is the life of the common. However, come so suddenly, so fast, can not help but make some sense Hey Lu. Can brother but is it not a good thing. He walked so free and easy, at least, reduce his pain by touching bed mats.
Grandmaster Yip Man told me this story: story takes place in Lida Street, when to teach boxing. Day, received a letter signed collective disciples, the contents of the letter asked his master to leave Shanghai, a woman living together, otherwise, all stop learning .... Master of careful observation, not the content of the letter, but signed the many disciples, find a sign of the apprentice did not participate in the arrival, along with personal objects belonging to the master and moved back home (Li Zheng estates). This is an apprentice who is not signed? Wu Chan is a senior. This group is not the party he does not, in today's words, is "not buried in heaps" character. In Wing Chun this circle is really commendable. Lu Xun, "it set" had the phrase: "Daze in the mountains, the Lions and tigers are alone to live alone, only foxes and wild dogs are even group of forces in the. "But to walk this road alone, this is not a broad road, but covered with mud, thorns full transit of the small trail. Go up, will feel very hard, hard, lonely, and lonely. But stubborn brother of Chan, and did not give up, nor the slightest change, adhere to finish his final journey. Great (also more than good hearts of the Xi, although its still unknown regret nine dead). Can the right thing brother execution solid. The exchange is the "uncle Chan" is the title, this title is unknown praise or blink. And I never used the title, preferring to call him as a Wing Chun's "Yue Buqun."
Chiaki workers would comment on the crime of generations since, Chan brother rest in peace! You leave footprints, since people will enjoy, because your footprints make Wing Chun more united with the door. Your ideas, to promote more development of Wing Chun.
simple example ;
you do bon sao followed by tan sao like you learned ,if you feel that the transition between both kill your flow of continuous sensation and strength you are not able to control continuously the opponent arm
that is not a good leverage
all this all posts where wrote too quickly without verification
I got sense of honoring Ng Chan in Jox's translation but not the rest.
However thanks.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
in a precedent post,i mentioned this story but i didnt give the reason.
thats about what ip chun is refering
ip man was living with a woman that wasnt his first wife ,which with one he didnt get on well ,plus she was still in china
all his students signed a letter to judge badly his choice.
ip man decided to stop teaching them and moved away
ng chan didnt signed this letter .ip man kept him and asked him to move all his stuff
even if after his old students came to apologize ,and ip man accepted.regarding what i heard from ki ping pun,he refrained after that to teach them seriously
in a precedent post,i mentioned this story but i didnt give the reason.
thats about what ip chun is refering
ip man was living with a woman that wasnt his first wife ,which with one he didnt get on well ,plus she was still in china
((I know about that))Joy
all his students signed a letter to judge badly his choice.
((I don't know whether all the students or some or most. I don't think it was all-certainly not all the private students. One guy in particular stimulated that criticism))
ip man decided to stop teaching them and moved away
ng chan didnt signed this letter .ip man kept him and asked him to move all his stuff
even if after his old students came to apologize ,and ip man accepted.regarding what i heard from ki ping pun,he refrained after that to teach them seriously[/QUOTE]
((Again. there were some exceptions not just Ng Chan. Some he taught quite seriously- the vidence is in what they learned))Joy
(( i am glad that you are honoring your sigung as I do mine.))Joy chaudhuri
sincerely we are not trying to honor anybody but just delivering what we know to be the true story of wing chun and how it has been passed on
thats the only point relevant for the readers of this thread
we put aside our personal relation
nothing emotional just facts and technics
regards
Moshe,
when you say running horse in chun kiu, do you mean bik ma?