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Hello Faux Newbie:
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>>The three of us approached shadowboxing/shadowwrestling/shadowfighting from a conceptual point of view vs specific techniques pov.
Yes, I recognize your specific goals, I'll write more on my view below, but that is just my view based on my current goals, I see value beyond what I may choose to do, just to make my thoughts clear.
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>Yes, if you only work the techs you know, sometimes you miss things that reveal missing or underdeveloped tools that you should also work.
By 'underdeveloped tools' you are still thinking on the technique level. We were approaching shadowboxing from the conceptual level of what you should you be concentrating on and looking for as feedback, how to go about shadowboxing, mindset, etc. Know what I mean?
I totally follow. I tend to try to work on techniques and principles, based on a view that, at the upper end, two people who encompass similar levels of adherence to useful principles may result in one person having advantages based on precision of techniques, and that two people with similar precision of techniques may find one having advantages based on superior adherence to principles.
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> I actually am looking forward to starting to add stick work to my routine, but the sessions are already pretty long, so I suspect it's going to kick my butt the first few days.
If you have the time for it, add it in, but if not, do empty hands one day, stickwork the next, etc.
I actually try to work empty hand every (workout) day, and want to do the same with stick, but I have enough time to extend my workout. I added staff in last week as a regular thing, am having a lot of fun with it.
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>One thing I was going to comment on, not necessarily a disagreement with what is written in there, but a different thought.
Please ... what we wrote is not set in stone, find your Way, see what works for You, what we wrote were just suggestions, not meant to be the gospel. As Bruce Lee said (i think it was Bruce, it may have been Dan Inosanto), 'My truth is not your truth.' It's ok to disagree just as long as it works for you, may or may not work for me, but ultimately you should be concerned with what works for you.
I'm not really disagreeing, I think the original statement in the group's essays is correct.
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You have a point about the first rep vs the 955 others after it. But perhaps there's a semantics/definition misunderstanding ... shadowboxing to me is not drilling one technique X amount of times, and then drilling the next tech Y amount of times ... shadowboxing is the integration of various techniques including footwork as if you had a live opponent in front of you (if sport) or as if a real BG (bad guy) was in front of you and you are fighting for your life.
Agreed. The drill is merely a benchmark for me. If my first performance is not as good as my fiftieth in a day, to me, that first is probably closest to how, on the fly, it will come off.
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So yes, fire off your technique and move and then fire off same or diff tech or combo and move. To me, that is shadowboxing. I call the other part you did 'drilling' - installing the technique, getting the 'muscle memory'.
Again, totally agree. This is why I always drill with six to eight different steps leading into the technique, to instill the move in different contexts, examine how those contexts change things, find how to take those changes and express the move without bleeding power, losing some balance, etc.
This practice is something between drills and shadowboxing, but closest to drills, that I use to better inform my shadow boxing.
Part of the reason for me doing that is a knee injury I suffered in sparring some years back. For a long time, I had to be very anal about aligning my knee so it wasn't absorbing power, or it would dislocate. It was actually good practice (would have been better without needing an injury to make me do it!) So now, before I add a technique to my shadowboxing, I work it with all the most common steps so that I routinely do that move in different contexts with good alignment and balance. Then, when I add it to shadow boxing, I examine how it combines, what difficulties it raises, etc.
On the principle level, I try to examine what principles I wish to work on, how to work on them, and mainly use techniques as a doorway to those principles, not as the principle itself. Often, it is the weakness of the technique that reveals what principles to work on, for a simple example, throwing side kicks and round kicks often might make me more cognizant of principles related to dealing with an opponent now at my side more than my front in cases where my kick is unsuccessful, and make me cognizant of not dropping my rear hand to dissuade others from round kicking my face.
So, some principles I tend to work is working the situation, not forcing it, applying much of me to little of my opponent where advantageous(control the limb/head with my structure and movement to control their entire body), and sufficiency of power over obsession with it, among other things, as well as avoiding goal oriented thinking, as the only throw that fails is the throw that gets you in trouble, a throw that fails to complete in the flurry of the fight, but leaves the opponent needing to regain balance, is a great opportunity for followup.
What sort of principles do you focus on?