If you see this clip from 0.14 to 0.38, you can see that both of them spent a lot of effort trying not to allow the other to get any grips.
http://johnswang.com/sc3.wmv
Why this kind of "grip fight" is not emphasized in Judo?
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If you see this clip from 0.14 to 0.38, you can see that both of them spent a lot of effort trying not to allow the other to get any grips.
http://johnswang.com/sc3.wmv
Why this kind of "grip fight" is not emphasized in Judo?
it is totally emphasized in judo and traditional gi jujitsu.
why do you think it is not?
the 'grip' shiat and the gi chokey **** is why I will shoot a judo guy in a heartbeat...as long as the ref doesn't notice the gun, of course.
I dunno. Why aren't these guys doing it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSvV7LsZIQ0
Because some Judo guy said, "Grip-fighting is not judo" and I don't understand that's one Judo guy's view point or general Judo guy's view point.
IMO, if you don't let your opponent to get grips on you then it will be hard for him to throw you. It's to your advantage and that's for sure.
I agree that they didn't fight as hard as they should.
i dunno about that judo guy either...granted my experience is limited to one, rather small, club and one reasonably large tournament at UT, but there were two guys wearing black belts at the club that qualified for 'geezer' status...and there was a fair amouint of emphasis on getting the grip :shrug: so, i dunno.
neither were judo..they were shuai jiao
Grip work is crucial in Judo and all gi-oriented sport systems like BJJ and Sambo.
Its just not overly-emphisied over anythign else.
Your grip needs to be good enough for you you need it to be, ie: control.
It needs to be strong enough to hold on while doing the throws and grappling, sure the stronger the grip that better, IF you maintain a certain flexibility with it and its not "stiff".
Seriously,
any Judoka that's even contemplating competition has to become a master gripfighter. It's a science in Judo- it's part of what's called Koka-Jitzu (using rules to win).
this is the master text and it should be a part of every Judokas library-
http://www.amazon.com/Grips-Judo-Mas.../dp/095184556X
Here's the new guru:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl5l-YELUls
don't be too sold though- good coaches know these techniques.
another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sea14...eature=related
There's just so many...
There are entire books, dvds and courses dedicated to grip fighting. A corollary in wrestling and no-gi is hand fighting and clinch fighting. Working and defending underhooks, wrist/hand control, neck control, arm drags and a whole host of other things.
Grip fighting is vital to Judo, Wrestling and BJJ. It's a must. My throws, I consider barely average. My grip-fighting is well above average, and it gives people fits.
All the people I have known who are good at any of the above sports are excellent grip-fighters
Wang, get out of your shuai chiao shell and start playing with experienced grapplers from other styles. You might just learn something. I'm serious, making assumptions without validating them is sloppy.