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There is some interesting research coming out of China that has these 2 styles being strongly related to each other.
Something about 2 temples where both styles have links to sharing teachers etc.
Anybody heard about this. There is a article in one of the MA Magazines there so am waiting for a copy to provide further info.
Sounds interesting.
Interesting that this comes up again. This idea was suggested by GruBianca in the Lama style thread that Cerebus started. Let us know if you hear of any genuine research. Heck, even blunt speculation. It is a worthy topic.
At some point I wouldn't doubt it, but the styles are too different to talk about them originating in some of the same way or same place. To an outsider some techniques look the same, but if you look at my sifus first form on youtube, Yeah...not even close.
Personally I don't believe it...history of all southern styles is sketchy at best. All southern styles share similarities...hung gar, jow gar, hung fut, CLF, lama/hop gar/bak hok but there are noticeable differences to. Plus I think lama is much older than CLF.
Although we must allow for some deception and incomplete information within the histories of the schools, they don't really match up time-wise. CLF was well developed in the 1830s while Lama was reportedly brought to Gwongdong during the reign of Yi Zhu, the Xianfeng Emperor (1850-1861).
I just see them as sharing some common sources from further back than the 19th century.
CLF was developed in 1830's but in my opinion wasn't well developed since it was a new system at that time. sure, by time chan heung died it may have been well developed by then but not in the 1830's. I see more bagua stuff in CLF than i do Lama style.Quote:
CLF was well developed in the 1830s while Lama was reportedly brought to Gwongdong during the reign of Yi Zhu, the Xianfeng Emperor (1850-1861).
Sifu Chan Tai San taught both Lama Pai and CLF. I would think his students, the most prominent of which are, or were, members on these boards, and Sifu in their own right, might know something about that, or at least have more insight than anyone else here about a CLF-Lama connection.
I doubt that this Chan Tai Shan could have really studied both, as there are prohibitions by the clan sects against this sort of thingQuote:
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BUT WE WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!!!!!!!!
A wise man once said:Quote:
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"old trolls live in ignorance under bridges; I walk in bright-knowing amongst the clouds; if you cannot see this, it is because you are an old troll that lives under a bridge"
these are the words of the Hoary Man.
ok, great, now you are paraphrasing what was written on the wall of the old mineola school, so are you richard? I think you must be.Quote:
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I do not know of this "mineola school" that you speak of; but as you are an old troll living under a bridge, I will leave you in peace to your musings, sirQuote:
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Give it up Richard, or as we used to call you ****, with your knotted beard, talking about "empty force" I remember you... .Quote:
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I admit, it was a special night...Quote:
Originally Posted by lkfmdc
but I have moved on...
do you even study Kung Fu?Quote:
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